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Best way to test this, for any profession, is to ask someone why something is done the way it is. You can short-circuit a lot of people this way.

8/10 times, the answer is because this is how i was taught to do it. We just don't teach critical thinking at all anymore.

Because we've been doing it that way since the mid 70's and shit hasn't blown up yet. When they tried changing it is the reason there's a 1 block exclusion zone of no structures/housing around the refinery.
 
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Judge wants Prosecution under oath. This is a clownshow. The fact this isn't thrown out by now is fucking unbelievable.



The reason this video showed up in court at the last minute was because the prosecution knew they lost. They then decided to take the footage aired on television, crop it, have an "anonymous" third party deliver it to them and then simultaneously claim it was authentic and crucial to the case. When it comes to given the defense their copy they play fuck fuck games and hope they won't get caught but if they do they can use that as a smokescreen to cover up what they ACTUALLY did.
 
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Short of tossing everything out the window they also cannot undo the taint the video has already had on the jury. it sort of "made sense" of the judge's approach initially allowing it. I mean not really but if you play along with his approach. Now though the damage has been done regardless of what version they're allowed to review. Jurors are only going to see what they initially convinced themselves was on the screen.
Why didn't the Defense play a montage style video with all the available footage synced up? There's no close video of the actual moment the prosecution claims Kyle pointed the gun, but there's video from like a second later where he clearly has it slung down right handed. The idea that he had his gun pointed left handed, then a fraction of a second later has it back to the way he had carried it all night is absurd
 
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What time do the lawyer streams usually start up? Open calendar means I can actually listen to it a bit but cannot find any results searching for it on youtube.

I assume since they are in CST its already up
 

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What time do the lawyer streams usually start up? Open calendar means I can actually listen to it a bit but cannot find any results searching for it on youtube.

I assume since they are in CST its already up
The Rekieta Law one is startnig a little late today. Usually its up ~9am but going up at 10am today so should be up directly.
 
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Yeah but at the same time making those kind of drastic and very helpful changes is how you catapult yourself ahead in a career. Most people just want to clock in and clock out though so they don't do this and are shocked that they spend year after year getting a measly 3% raise.

Fortune favors the bold.
This is becoming so godamn obvious to me. Outside of the survey department, pretty much everyone at work has a bachelors or masters (including the actual licensed surveyors). I'm trying to figure out how to take all of the tricks, tools and workflows that I've come up with and make them available for other people to use/do themselves. It's fucking impossible to find anyone that wants to take some of this and run with it because almost everyone wants to be spoon-fed the entire process and just follow a step by step. They're not interested in actually learning or figuring anything out.

We have a technology advancement & strategic planning group forming that my boss is in charge of and I've shot down half of the people he's proposed to bring in because they have zero interest in any of this stuff on a personal level.

Type of people I've recommended - A CAD drafter that watches youtube videos every night about CAD tips and tricks and also spends his weekends making "CAD Art" and selling it at art shows. A landscape architect that's obsessed with learning Unity so he "....can step up my conceptual rendering and presentation game". A geologist that (frequently) tricks his wife into going on geocaching hikes at project sites for opportunities that we're pursuing so that he can do some quick and dirty terrestrial photogrammetry with his iPhone while they're out there. An industrial hygienist that's trying to learn how to create an IOT methane sensor with a raspberry pi and $20 worth of parts so he can test it out on a fucking landfill project we have coming up that he's excited about.

I feel like these types of people are so rare nowadays, but maybe it's always been like that. It seems like everyone else is just going through the motions on autopilot. I think they all care about doing "good work", but there's a real attitude of just finding a groove and settling down into it. And ESPECIALLY the younger generation has absolutely fucking zero interest in spending any of their personal/off-duty learning for personal and professional growth. If they're not on the clock and being spoon-fed instructions, fuck learning about anything work-related I guess.

The main one that bugs me was getting our Industrial Hygiene group going with a Matterport setup I bought myself ($300 camera, $100 tripod, $10/mo subscription). Easiest piece of technology I've ever used in my life and it took me about 2 hours to figure out how to use the whole thing. Very thorough support documentation. Half of them call me every time they go out with stuff that can be solved in a 10 second google search.

I guess the point I was trying to make is that I spent a lot of my adult life working low-skill jobs with a bunch of other poor boys (zipline guide, lumber mill, shipping facility, etc). I had an epiphany one night at the shipping facility while I was sweeping the warehouse at the end of the day, a few days after getting an unsolicited ~30% raise. "When you work with an abundance of retards, it takes a minimal amount of effort to look like a rockstar. Minimal effort like sweeping the floor after work every day".

I thought that was something unique to the type of jobs I was working. Now, I just think I was mistaken in thinking it's because my coworkers were stupid (some were). It's more like willful ignorance/indifference and a lack of ambition or drive. Most of my coworkers now are very bright people, but a lot of them just don't have any further ambitions.

Sorry, that turned into a ranting ramble.
 
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Yeah, like TJT said, most people are sheep and just follow the path of least resistance and accept zero risk. The issue I described wasn't just the production accountant's problem but also the prior engineers who never checked a single number or cared if there were discrepancies, and even the manager's problem for never asking for an audit when the prices went through the roof.

I have always strived for the best, and insist on constantly learning and improving. Seeing others just slide through is maddening. At major corporations, performance-based bonus programs went away a while ago, to be replaced by blanket percentages for all employees, with small bumps for exceptional service. It drove me crazy that Sally the brain-dead production accountant who barely did her job got the same base "bonus" as I did. So what happens? The weaker-willed employees who were still at least trying to improve see Sally being rewarded at the same level as them and just give up trying. This is Socialism in action in the wild.

The last time I was rewarded extra for hard work was 2011.

You sound like a racist White Supremacist Domestic Terrorist. You have to learn that striving for excellence, doing hard work, and showing up on time are White privilege and it's your fault society is crumbling. Honk Honk

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Type of people I've recommended - A CAD drafter that watches youtube videos every night about CAD tips and tricks and also spends his weekends making "CAD Art" and selling it at art shows. A landscape architect that's obsessed with learning Unity so he "....can step up my conceptual rendering and presentation game". A geologist that (frequently) tricks his wife into going on geocaching hikes at project sites for opportunities that we're pursuing so that he can do some quick and dirty terrestrial photogrammetry with his iPhone while they're out there. An industrial hygienist that's trying to learn how to create an IOT methane sensor with a raspberry pi and $20 worth of parts so he can test it out on a fucking landfill project we have coming up that he's excited about.

So nerds. You want nerds.
 
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This is becoming so godamn obvious to me. Outside of the survey department, pretty much everyone at work has a bachelors or masters (including the actual licensed surveyors). I'm trying to figure out how to take all of the tricks, tools and workflows that I've come up with and make them available for other people to use/do themselves. It's fucking impossible to find anyone that wants to take some of this and run with it because almost everyone wants to be spoon-fed the entire process and just follow a step by step. They're not interested in actually learning or figuring anything out.

We have a technology advancement & strategic planning group forming that my boss is in charge of and I've shot down half of the people he's proposed to bring in because they have zero interest in any of this stuff on a personal level.

Type of people I've recommended - A CAD drafter that watches youtube videos every night about CAD tips and tricks and also spends his weekends making "CAD Art" and selling it at art shows. A landscape architect that's obsessed with learning Unity so he "....can step up my conceptual rendering and presentation game". A geologist that (frequently) tricks his wife into going on geocaching hikes at project sites for opportunities that we're pursuing so that he can do some quick and dirty terrestrial photogrammetry with his iPhone while they're out there. An industrial hygienist that's trying to learn how to create an IOT methane sensor with a raspberry pi and $20 worth of parts so he can test it out on a fucking landfill project we have coming up that he's excited about.

I feel like these types of people are so rare nowadays, but maybe it's always been like that. It seems like everyone else is just going through the motions on autopilot. I think they all care about doing "good work", but there's a real attitude of just finding a groove and settling down into it. And ESPECIALLY the younger generation has absolutely fucking zero interest in spending any of their personal/off-duty learning for personal and professional growth. If they're not on the clock and being spoon-fed instructions, fuck learning about anything work-related I guess.

The main one that bugs me was getting our Industrial Hygiene group going with a Matterport setup I bought myself ($300 camera, $100 tripod, $10/mo subscription). Easiest piece of technology I've ever used in my life and it took me about 2 hours to figure out how to use the whole thing. Very thorough support documentation. Half of them call me every time they go out with stuff that can be solved in a 10 second google search.

I guess the point I was trying to make is that I spent a lot of my adult life working low-skill jobs with a bunch of other poor boys (zipline guide, lumber mill, shipping facility, etc). I had an epiphany one night at the shipping facility while I was sweeping the warehouse at the end of the day, a few days after getting an unsolicited ~30% raise. "When you work with an abundance of retards, it takes a minimal amount of effort to look like a rockstar. Minimal effort like sweeping the floor after work every day".

I thought that was something unique to the type of jobs I was working. Now, I just think I was mistaken in thinking it's because my coworkers were stupid (some were). It's more like willful ignorance/indifference and a lack of ambition or drive. Most of my coworkers now are very bright people, but a lot of them just don't have any further ambitions.

Sorry, that turned into a ranting ramble.

I imagine at least for a few of then it's gonna be hard giving a shit about moving more widgets when the entire world is falling to shit and they are wondering if they will even be able to feed their family by the end of Bidens term.

Also the skill-less, incompetent, and stupids deserve their turn to drive. Don't be a KKK member Bandwagon Bandwagon

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This.

Even if he was acquitted it was by the skin of his teeth and it cost him $3M+ in donations just to survive the process. His bail was a million dollars. School shooter in Dallas was under $100k.

Not even that, the school shooter in Dallas was under $30k IIRC. Essentially he had a "normal" bail while Kyle had a vastly-exaggerated and politically-influenced bail. Which is gonna be the norm now, probably.
 
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I imagine at least for a few of then it's gonna be hard giving a shit about moving more widgets when the entire world is falling to shit and they are wondering if they will even be able to feed their family by the end of Bidens term.

Also the skill-less, incompetent, and stupids deserve their turn to drive. Don't be a KKK member Bandwagon Bandwagon

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I'm not sure what any of the things on that list have to do with "whiteness", because it isn't like you can go to India or Africa and find people operating via the list of things on the right. Matter of fact, the only places where you're really going to find the things on the right in a functioning society are mostly in Europe, especially northern Europe, i.e. Denmark or Iceland. Places that are 99% white.

So....
 
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This is becoming so godamn obvious to me. Outside of the survey department, pretty much everyone at work has a bachelors or masters (including the actual licensed surveyors). I'm trying to figure out how to take all of the tricks, tools and workflows that I've come up with and make them available for other people to use/do themselves. It's fucking impossible to find anyone that wants to take some of this and run with it because almost everyone wants to be spoon-fed the entire process and just follow a step by step. They're not interested in actually learning or figuring anything out.

We have a technology advancement & strategic planning group forming that my boss is in charge of and I've shot down half of the people he's proposed to bring in because they have zero interest in any of this stuff on a personal level.

Type of people I've recommended - A CAD drafter that watches youtube videos every night about CAD tips and tricks and also spends his weekends making "CAD Art" and selling it at art shows. A landscape architect that's obsessed with learning Unity so he "....can step up my conceptual rendering and presentation game". A geologist that (frequently) tricks his wife into going on geocaching hikes at project sites for opportunities that we're pursuing so that he can do some quick and dirty terrestrial photogrammetry with his iPhone while they're out there. An industrial hygienist that's trying to learn how to create an IOT methane sensor with a raspberry pi and $20 worth of parts so he can test it out on a fucking landfill project we have coming up that he's excited about.

I feel like these types of people are so rare nowadays, but maybe it's always been like that. It seems like everyone else is just going through the motions on autopilot. I think they all care about doing "good work", but there's a real attitude of just finding a groove and settling down into it. And ESPECIALLY the younger generation has absolutely fucking zero interest in spending any of their personal/off-duty learning for personal and professional growth. If they're not on the clock and being spoon-fed instructions, fuck learning about anything work-related I guess.

The main one that bugs me was getting our Industrial Hygiene group going with a Matterport setup I bought myself ($300 camera, $100 tripod, $10/mo subscription). Easiest piece of technology I've ever used in my life and it took me about 2 hours to figure out how to use the whole thing. Very thorough support documentation. Half of them call me every time they go out with stuff that can be solved in a 10 second google search.

I guess the point I was trying to make is that I spent a lot of my adult life working low-skill jobs with a bunch of other poor boys (zipline guide, lumber mill, shipping facility, etc). I had an epiphany one night at the shipping facility while I was sweeping the warehouse at the end of the day, a few days after getting an unsolicited ~30% raise. "When you work with an abundance of retards, it takes a minimal amount of effort to look like a rockstar. Minimal effort like sweeping the floor after work every day".

I thought that was something unique to the type of jobs I was working. Now, I just think I was mistaken in thinking it's because my coworkers were stupid (some were). It's more like willful ignorance/indifference and a lack of ambition or drive. Most of my coworkers now are very bright people, but a lot of them just don't have any further ambitions.

Sorry, that turned into a ranting ramble.

It’s not always been like that except in government related work. As the government has grown larger, more companies suck off the federal tit, and the government, I mean Covid, gets rid of most independent small business, it gets worse.

Rockefeller and Carnegie wouldn’t pay top money for lazy fools. The guys who build our infrastructure and society didn’t reward the clueless and lazy. This Is new to America but that’s because our political and corporate leadership want our destruction. A republic does not fit the needs of our fascist oligarchy.
 
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And it's not just the trial lawyers, either. I've worked with dozens of lawyers in my career and they're all fucking idiots or assholes. Mostly idiots though (although you kind of have to be to spend all that time and money on law school and end up doing the same job as a dumbass like me with only an undergrad business degree).

Most lawyers understanding of the law has been pretty poor in my experience.
In my lifetime I have retained a lawyer twice.

1st time was for child support / custody. Paid 7k for the lawyer, who ended up not telling about the court date hearing and submitted the paperwork wrong.....thus I got hit for a " default judgement " failure to appear and got zero custody and raped in child support.

2nd time - supposedly made a comment that resulted in a place of business placing a protection order on me because they feared for their life / safety. Retained a lawyer...paid 3k this time. Didnt return any calls or call me when his underling set an appointment for us to talk .

Called me.literally the day before the hearing to suggest....that we just " vacate " and not fight it...and literally do nothing. ..and that cost 3k.
 
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I feel like these types of people are so rare nowadays
So nerds. You want nerds.

It's true, but there are ups and downs in both directions. I've been on both sides of it. In my experience, most employers just want someone who will sit and do the thing they're hired to do. They say things like you do, but then they actively discourage or even punish anyone who tries. On the other hand, when you have someone like that, it can be unbelievably hard to keep them focused on the thing you wish they were focused on. They do lots of extra stuff because they're very interested and passionate (and get bored very easily), but the extras aren't necessarily ideal or even beneficial. So ironically, it ends up being easier for both the employee and the manager if no one bothers. You need an exceptional chain of command to really take advantage of exceptional employees.
 
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How do you follow the jury? When I was Juror there was a whole back area with like a dozen exits where jurors had individual rooms. Nobody from the public was allowed back there. I assume it was set up like that intentionally so it'd be hard to determine which jurors were involved with what.
 

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This is becoming so godamn obvious to me. Outside of the survey department, pretty much everyone at work has a bachelors or masters (including the actual licensed surveyors). I'm trying to figure out how to take all of the tricks, tools and workflows that I've come up with and make them available for other people to use/do themselves. It's fucking impossible to find anyone that wants to take some of this and run with it because almost everyone wants to be spoon-fed the entire process and just follow a step by step. They're not interested in actually learning or figuring anything out.

We have a technology advancement & strategic planning group forming that my boss is in charge of and I've shot down half of the people he's proposed to bring in because they have zero interest in any of this stuff on a personal level.

Type of people I've recommended - A CAD drafter that watches youtube videos every night about CAD tips and tricks and also spends his weekends making "CAD Art" and selling it at art shows. A landscape architect that's obsessed with learning Unity so he "....can step up my conceptual rendering and presentation game". A geologist that (frequently) tricks his wife into going on geocaching hikes at project sites for opportunities that we're pursuing so that he can do some quick and dirty terrestrial photogrammetry with his iPhone while they're out there. An industrial hygienist that's trying to learn how to create an IOT methane sensor with a raspberry pi and $20 worth of parts so he can test it out on a fucking landfill project we have coming up that he's excited about.

I feel like these types of people are so rare nowadays, but maybe it's always been like that. It seems like everyone else is just going through the motions on autopilot. I think they all care about doing "good work", but there's a real attitude of just finding a groove and settling down into it. And ESPECIALLY the younger generation has absolutely fucking zero interest in spending any of their personal/off-duty learning for personal and professional growth. If they're not on the clock and being spoon-fed instructions, fuck learning about anything work-related I guess.

The main one that bugs me was getting our Industrial Hygiene group going with a Matterport setup I bought myself ($300 camera, $100 tripod, $10/mo subscription). Easiest piece of technology I've ever used in my life and it took me about 2 hours to figure out how to use the whole thing. Very thorough support documentation. Half of them call me every time they go out with stuff that can be solved in a 10 second google search.

I guess the point I was trying to make is that I spent a lot of my adult life working low-skill jobs with a bunch of other poor boys (zipline guide, lumber mill, shipping facility, etc). I had an epiphany one night at the shipping facility while I was sweeping the warehouse at the end of the day, a few days after getting an unsolicited ~30% raise. "When you work with an abundance of retards, it takes a minimal amount of effort to look like a rockstar. Minimal effort like sweeping the floor after work every day".

I thought that was something unique to the type of jobs I was working. Now, I just think I was mistaken in thinking it's because my coworkers were stupid (some were). It's more like willful ignorance/indifference and a lack of ambition or drive. Most of my coworkers now are very bright people, but a lot of them just don't have any further ambitions.

Sorry, that turned into a ranting ramble.
It should be opposite.

Sorry, this is a tangent, but a big issue for me.

When I started back in the mid 90s the young guys were gung ho and aggressive and obsessively wanted to learn and grow. I worked so hard for the first 15 years or so of my career.

Then I bled, sweated, cried my way through some of the most successful development programs of my career, essentially completely unsupervised while management went through the process of forming a new company. My reward was almost nothing and line by line repeated oversight on my proposed plans the following years. That company should have rewarded the 7 people in my group with retirement money for what we did that first year, and we got zippo.

Then that company acquired another. The people in the acquired company got full payouts (layoff packages and stock option activation), rehired, and allowed to take the summer off. Meanwhile, those of us in the acquiring company did all the work on the merge, upgraded all the acquired assets, and were rewarded with nothing as the newly rewarded sauntered back into their offices in September. Clearly, I quit.

Then a company I worked for offered employees a buy-in on an internal private company split off to do exploration on a couple of plays. We could pay $2/share and share in the growth of a new entity. After watching the spin off flail for 2 years I just asked for my base investment back and was told I was UNABLE to, and to be patient. 2 years later the parent company bought the spin off back at $0.70/share and paid out the investors IN COMPANY SHARES. 2 years later the company, doing poorly, did a 300:1 merger in shares. The company financed a failed spin off on employees money and never paid them back. The company literally stole money from their employees. Clearly, I quit.

What I am saying is that there are sometimes reasons people not longer put in the extra effort that used to be highly rewarded.

Shit like this is why people barely put in time and don't give a shit anymore.

Edit - But it bugs me when the young are lazy and complacent. It is us old, bitter, cynical guys who have sometimes earned that right lol.

Edit 2 - Freedom for Kyle Rittenhouse!
 
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