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Pogi.G

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At this point, jury is taking over two day to get a verdict and Saint Kyle is fucked. This is one of the clearest cases of self defense I think I've seen. It should have taken the jury about three minutes.

Should Kyle have been there? No.
Does that remove his right to self defense? Resounding NO.
Does a guilty verdict make me lose what little faith I have left in the justice system, absolutely.
Fair trials are a thing of the past. This and falsified elections is the beginning of the end for the US. A fight is coming.
 
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moonarchia

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At this point, jury is taking over two day to get a verdict and Saint Kyle is fucked. This is one of the clearest cases of self defense I think I've seen. It should have taken the jury about three minutes.

Should Kyle have been there? No.
Does that remove his right to self defense? Resounding NO.
Does a guilty verdict make me lose what little faith I have left in the justice system, absolutely.
Fair trials are a thing of the past. This and falsified elections is the beginning of the end for the US. A fight is coming already here, but it won't stay in the shadows much longer.
FTFY.
 
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Ritley

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I'm not saying Barnes is wrong, but this dude spends a TON of fuckin' time on the internet for a "practicing" attorney. Podcasts, social media, etc. I'm starting to get a few grifting vibes...
cad and butthurt right now

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Homsar

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At this point, jury is taking over two day to get a verdict and Saint Kyle is fucked. This is one of the clearest cases of self defense I think I've seen. It should have taken the jury about three minutes.

Should Kyle have been there? No.
Does that remove his right to self defense? Resounding NO.
Does a guilty verdict make me lose what little faith I have left in the justice system, absolutely.
Fair trials are a thing of the past. This and falsified elections is the beginning of the end for the US. A fight is coming.
Should kyle should have been there and you say no? Please explain? He has 3 ways to sunday to be there
 
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Chris

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At this point, jury is taking over two day to get a verdict and Saint Kyle is fucked. This is one of the clearest cases of self defense I think I've seen. It should have taken the jury about three minutes.

Should Kyle have been there? No.
Does that remove his right to self defense? Resounding NO.
Does a guilty verdict make me lose what little faith I have left in the justice system, absolutely.
Fair trials are a thing of the past. This and falsified elections is the beginning of the end for the US. A fight is coming.
Probably rejected the clearly innocent charges and there is one or two they are arguing about.

What is the full charge list?
 

TJT

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The thing is, "he shouldn't have been there." Shouldn't have any basis in the argument at all. But bet your ass it will be. They've been peddling that shit for a year.
 
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Intrinsic

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Probably rejected the clearly innocent charges and there is one or two they are arguing about.

What is the full charge list?


COUNT 1: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESS HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON
COUNT 2: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON
COUNT 3: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON
COUNT 4: FIRST-DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON
COUNT 5: ATTEMPTED FIRST-DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON
COUNT 6: POSSESSION OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON BY A PERSON UNDER 18 (dismissed)
COUNT 7: FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH AN EMERGENCY ORDER FROM STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT (I thought this was dismissed also?)

I just copied real quick and haven't read through the whole article.
 
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Cutlery

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Its certainly possible, its just Barnes side of the story without any evidence. And he does make it very clear he was more than happy to do this all at no cost to Kyle and let everyone else take the credit. Though it seems theres an awful lot of lawyers that can just hang out on youtube 24/7, maybe its just a perk of private practice.

With how shit Kyle's representation has been(even us laymen pointing out insane overreaches by the State and lack of fundamental arguments from Kyle's lawyers) its clear Kyle's management is horrible so its not like Barnes is wrong about that. With how much money is at their disposal theres zero reason Kyle shouldnt have the absolute best representation and every possible resource on hand for the trial yet here he is where his lawyers didnt even bring in a ballistics/firearms expert in a case where the DA heavily emphasized the firearm and was spouting off out right bullshit all throughout the trial about bullets.

I think enough time has passed that I can share this here.

When my marriage ended, I had no idea what the fuck to do. My life fell apart literally in an instant and in a not dissimilar way. I'm in jail for a few days, I've got a restraining order keeping me from going home, almost lost my job, and all the bills of the household are in my name, even though I made 1/3 of the income for the household. My soon to be ex immediately stopped working, claiming PTSD or some shit and contributed nothing. My kids said she didn't even turn on the fucking oven for the 5 months I was out of the house.

I had no clue what to do, and turned to the guys at work, who told me to go to the wife of the union lawyer because she was a divorce attorney. I didn't get good vibes from her from the beginning because she was an absolute turbocunt who flew off the handle in a fucking instant (I even saw her treat her clerk very badly on multiple occasions. I didn't feel like I had any options to change course though, and the legal process moves so slowly that I just wanted my fucking life back, so I stuck with it and ignored my better judgement.

She consistently gave me advice saying not to bother offering shit in the divorce because my ex was unlikely to take it. I ended up lucking out and caught my ex in a moment of clarity after an issue with our oldest daughter, and we worked out almost the entirety of the settlement ourselves.

The last piece to negotiate was the fact that she paid nothing for 5 months while I worked 70-84 hours a week the entire time I was out of the house, kept the lights on, paid the mortgage, all the debt and even bought fucking groceries for a house I wasn't living in. My ex insisted I owed her child support because I wasn't living in the house with the kids. I provided all the bank statements, itemized receipts and everything for every single household expense that I paid and the DAY before the hearing, my lawyer said "I can't make heads or tails of this, you need to come explain it to me." That was the day I saw her flip out on her clerk while I was in the room working on this, and afterwards I saw the reason why...on her clerk's desk was statements for Keith Ellison (remember the MN AG who was in trouble for actual domestic abuse?). She was representing him too, and that's when I realized I was fucked and she wasn't ever going to do as much work for me as she claimed. That actually didn't bother me as much as what else I saw though....that she was charging him 75% of what she was charging me.

So, democratic machine? Give em a discount. This poor fucker making barely 40k a year? Fuck that guy.

I ended up losing the back child support hearing and any chance of cleaning up the mess of debt I was in after that debacle in a timely manner. I'm STILL paying off that shit.

So yeah...it's really easy to get into a situation where you're stressed the fuck out and don't know which direction to go and one pivot point can change your entire life and have you in a situation you can't get out of until it's too late.
 
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Hateyou

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Should kyle should have been there and you say no? Please explain?
As a parent and citizen I would agree he shouldn’t have been there.

As a parent, letting your 17 year old son go guard buildings with a rifle against unpredictable psychos that hate you is not somewhere a kid should be. There’s no way I’d let my kid do that.

As a citizen, he shouldn’t have felt the need to be there. The fucking police and national guard have every capability to stop those people and they didn’t. It’s disgusting that citizens have to feel the need to guard our cities because our institutions failed to do so. All leadership involved should be replaced.

As far as the case...”should he have been there” should not even enter the conversation. He had every right to be there, even if I agree he shouldn’t have gone. He had every right to carry. He had every right to defend himself against the people attacking him. None of the people involved should have been there either, but they had the right to be there. They didn’t have the right to destroy shit and attack people though which is what led to this outcome.

The city leaders should be on trial for complete failure of duty to their citizens.
 
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elcaro1101

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Talking about free time Barnes spends online, I thought this would have been brought up by now. He posted this awhile ago on his Twitter feed. Guy plays a shit ton of WoW, boxer army level stuff.

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BrotherWu

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It's pretty common for top tier lawyers to love the smell of their own farts and it's pretty clear that Barnes does. Nevertheless, he seems to be a genuine patriot. Also, they do make a little money on the streaming stuff so he probably sees it as fun side hustle that could help grow his business.

I'm a little confused by the video controversy: I can see how it is a Discovery problem if they sent a low-res/cropped to the Defense and that it's fucky that they're trying to upscale that version and point out artifacts as evidence. But- how did we circle back to the full res version of the video being in evidence? Why are they allowed to downscale and upscale if the original is still around?
 
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GuardianX

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Anyone else crossing their fingers for "Expert witness" as to Krauss' laptop? Maybe cause some mistrial with prejudiced? Maybe maybe cause some perjury?
 
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TJT

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Anyone else crossing their fingers for "Expert witness" as to Krauss' laptop? Maybe cause some mistrial with prejudiced? Maybe maybe cause some perjury?
The state has no shortage of "experts" to explain how this one in a million "accident" occurred and the state prosecution had nothing to do with it because they were too incompetent to understand it happened.

They'll never be punished for it and will successfully hide behind incompetence. Like they all do when it is convenient to do so.
 
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Intrinsic

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Short of tossing everything out the window they also cannot undo the taint the video has already had on the jury. it sort of "made sense" of the judge's approach initially allowing it. I mean not really but if you play along with his approach. Now though the damage has been done regardless of what version they're allowed to review. Jurors are only going to see what they initially convinced themselves was on the screen.
 

Rajaah

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I was waiting for somebody over at the Bee to point that out.


^ This is barely even satire, given all the people suddenly saying that "due process" is a "tool of fascism"

Ya know, we on here question whether right-ists are glowies often. But I'm starting to wonder if half of left-wing twitter are actually Chinese bots, because this many people can't be this blind and divisive out of nowhere without some sort of prompting.
 
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