Getting an organic listing on google

Discussion in 'The Classics 97.3' started by Shonuff, Jul 22, 2016.

  1. Tmac Member DONOR

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    I wasn"t accusing you of anything. I"m just saying, from a business perspective, without data to back it up, words are just words.

    I appreciate the links! <3 And yeah...the more I learn about getting followers the more depressing it is.
     
  2. splok_foh shitlord

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    Maybe because the ROI on your time of doing 4000 gigs for $20k over the course of a year sounds pretty shitty if you"re someone who can actually rank something? I assume that anyone slinging fiverr gigs is someone who can"t make more by doing something else with his time.

    That"s not a derogatory statement, even if it sounds like it though. I don"t doubt that they"re respectable providers of the services they offer, but someone isn"t an SEO guru just because he has an xrumer install. If someone wants that type of link and knows what they"re getting, then fantastic, everyone"s happy.

    However, my original point was that it"s a bad idea to send someone who knows nothing about SEO (with a B&M business, nonetheless) to buy spam packages without understanding what they"re buying, and you"ve said nothing to change that.

    Even ignoring any negative seo issues, do you think people with "real" businesses want its name all over the dregs of the internet? Do they want its name associated with obviously spammy text/posts/profiles? Do they really want to be internet spammers?
     
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    I"ve been doing a LOT of reading as far as SEO goes and I"ve totally revamped the way the website works. Instead of having long pages of content, I"ve split everything up with an emphasis on click-through to keep the bounce rate low.

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    I"ve also been considering changing our contract with the companies we work with to use their local address for my company"s local seo. Essentially, we would register their address under the umbrella of my company and get local listings in Google/Bing in every county we work in. We generate business for the companies in our network, so we"re not actually stealing business by doing this, but if they decide to ever leave the network, that could be weird.

    Any thoughts?
     
  4. tyen Well-Known Member

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  5. splok_foh shitlord

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    Just noticed that google has released a tool to let people disavow links to their site.
    Disavow links - YouTube

    Obviously you shouldn"t take anything he says at face value, and obviously, they"re using it to weight/blacklist link sources.

    However, if negative SEO was actually impossible, there would be no need for anyone to use this tool.
     
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    Is that the design after you shortened it? Because that"s areallylong home page.
     
  7. Tmac Member DONOR

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    If you notice the cursor icons on the page you"ll see they"re pointing to Features > Overview. It"s not the homepage
     
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    Also, that page hasn"t been SEO"d yet, so the content is nowhere near final. I"ve also done a lot of research over the past couple of days and have an industry professional writing up some articles for me. So, I should be gravy as far as content goes once we launch.

    However, I"m still stuck on the whole link generation deal. Does anyone have experience in getting government sites to cooperate in backlinks? I have some connections in our state gov, but I"d rather not have to use them.
     
  9. Corndog New Member

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    I don"t disagree with the fact that the services should be used wisely and researched before used.

    I"ve used some gigs before and they"re script based. Once you have that in place, you drop in the 100 websites/facebook profiles etc and walk away. Someone who was a guru etc, still makes a large amount of money offering these services.

    When I ordered services they would be done in groups of 100+ buyers. They always fired in less than 24 hours. That means whoever is behind it is getting $500 a day for that specific gig.

    These people offer facebook likes, youtube likes, backlinks etc. You start offering 10 services and all of them are getting 50+ gigs a day. You start taking home thousands per day, for a script you"re running once a day. Yes you might have to dedicate 2-3 hours to do all the work. You have to be at a very high income level to turn down $800+ dollars an hour for your time.

    Now you might be taking home 100k a year from your SEO business, or Fortune 500 company salary. Still 60k a month looks pretty damn nice.

    Now not everyone does that kind of volume. But to say that the SEO Gurus wouldn"t do it is foolish. They have the most to gain as when something changes in one of their gigs, they can fix it and get it up again faster than the average Joe doing a gig.

    If anything buy some $5 gigs and watch how they work, follow the bots on facebook etc. And you"ll see the MASSIVE amounts of work they"re getting.

    That being said, I agree the gigs can definitely hurt a business too. But I cannot deny that it"s so lucrative that a SEO Guru wouldn"t "waste his time" making insane amounts of money.
     
  10. Disp_sl shitlord

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    What do you guys think about people on Fiverr doing Google/Yelp reviews? I"ve been having problems getting reviews on each of them, and want to kickstart it a bit. It doesn"t seem like there would really be any negatives to it, but it does concern me having random people do anything that may impact my business.

    And could there be any negative impacts from doing the Google Places backlink that Tyen linked?
     
  11. Corndog New Member

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    I hate yelp, they"re scamming hardcore. Once you get a few reviews going on your business. You get called to invest in a groupon type deal. If you don"t take it, magically most of your good reviews get filtered. I"ve seen it happen within days. I"ve had my legit reviews of another business filtered out 6 days after the business received a call to advertise. All my other reviews of businesses were intact just fine.

    The other downfall of yelp is that legit reviewers have to review lots of places to avoid the spam filter. I have legit customers who have left a review of my business but no one else get filtered into spam.

    When you look into yelp you see its all a big scam and their filtering process is directly tied to whether you"re advertising with them or not.

    On the fiverr front. I"d say you"ve got nothing to lose. I"m sure you could even submit what you want them to say on your review.
     
  12. Disp_sl shitlord

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    Yeah I know how much of a shitbox Yelp is overall and have dealt with their sales reps several times. We"ve had a bunch of legitimate reviews filtered because the people didn"t have enough reviews. I"ve talked to a couple of our clients in other industries; a moving company, and business doing electrolysis, and they say Yelp is driving the majority of their business right now though.
     
  13. tyen Well-Known Member

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    Interesting write up

     
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    Oh and Yelp....

    Yelp cracks down on businesses that pay for good reviews - latimes.com

     
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    Bounce rate? Conversion rate? Time spent on page?
     
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    Avg. Visit Duration: 00:14:39
    Bounce Rate: 56.59%
     
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    I"ll outline some places to start, that you can do yourselves.

    The best source for SEO information isSEO Software. Simplified. | SEOmoz

    SEO Web Directory List - Web, Social and Local Directories | SEOmoz
    This directory list, both local and web would be a great place to start. Focus on the highest DA/MozRank"s first. Some directories won"t be applicable for your business, so you can skip those. Don"t do any of the paid features for local city directories, unless its the Yahoo Business Directory and Business.com one, and a few others for rush processing.

    You might also visitODP - Open Directory Projectand submit your business there. It"s a free directory, but can be very challenging to get in to. They don"t provide support and guidance so you could be turned down and not even know it. It"s got the highest rating among all directories.

    Other than what I"ve given you, stay away from directories. People spam them more than viagra online and Google is now penalizing the ones that aren"t credible. If anyone mentions the words "we will submit you to x directories," it should be an immediate red flag to walk away.
     
  20. opiate82_foh shitlord

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