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Szlia_sl said:
Eating is not just about energy though, it's also about raw material. Some we need in bulk, but some we need in small quantities like vitamins, stuff we can't synthesize on our own (that's actually the definition of a vitamin oddly enough). Some are pretty frail, meaning freezing/unfreezing, conservation treatment, light exposure or simply time degrades them, making the food less healthy.
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In America it's rare for an otherwise healthy (ie, not an alcoholic, someone on chronic antibiotic use, chemotherapy, or just retarded) person to have a vitamin deficiency. And if you have a diagnosed deficiency, then by all means supplement with that vitamin. Yes vitamins are vital, but a reasonable diet will still get you more than enough. We all need to remember that they're active compounds and we don't know every role vitamins play. They aren't magical entities that can elevate your immune system to new heights (I know you didn't say this, but some think this.) Simple consider vitamin E. Supplementing with E significantly increases a males risk of prostate cancer. Some increase risk of cardiovascular disease, stroke, and one large study found multivitamins increased mortality in elderly females. Etc.
 
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Do organic foods market themselves as not having:
1. Pesticides
2. Food coloring
3. Preservatives
4. Genetic insertion

Do they also include certain living conditions for animals? Etc is 'organic beef' legally required to have come from a cow that fucked around in a field all day instead of being locked in a small cage? Or is that defined by a different requirement?
 
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1. They can't have synthetic pesticides or fertilizers. They can have naturally occuring ones, minus sewage waste.
2. They can't have food coloring
3. Can't have preservatives
4. Can't have genetic insertion

Some living conditions are considered for cattle but its more about no hormones/anti biotics, must be grain fed, etc.
 
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Not really sure. Its not the most heavily regulated thing. I mean these criteria are all generally determined in a range. You can have X amount of Y but no more and still qualify as "organic" or whatever. And the differences between organic and non organic in terms of like pesticides residue, all fall within similar ranges and within the cited tolerance ranges, so no difference in outcome is noticed in terms of health of people eating one or the other.

Probably meat is the heavier regulated side of it, versus fruit and vegetables
 
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You're better off just ignoring the crazies on topics like this, unless you feel like arguing for the sake of argument(which can be fun). From my experience, reasoning with new age hippies is like reasoning with hard line religious people. They are not interested in reason, science, or whether or not their beliefs are actually true.

I was drinking a coke zero a week ago at work and my boss started telling me about how bad Aspartame is for you. I told her it's completely safe, but she ended up showing me some bullshit article about how it causes brain damage, multiple sclerosis, memory loss, methanol poisoning and a bunch of other shit. After I completely refuted every single point the article made, she still refused to accept that aspartame is safe. These kinds of people are so invested in their warped view of reality that they are completely uninterested in truth.
 
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3:30 seconds into that video and I already want to strangle that couple and their baby with the umbilical cord.
 
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Ichu_sl said:
You're better off just ignoring the crazies on topics like this, unless you feel like arguing for the sake of argument(which can be fun). From my experience, reasoning with new age hippies is like reasoning with hard line religious people. They are not interested in reason, science, or whether or not their beliefs are actually true.

I was drinking a coke zero a week ago at work and my boss started telling me about how bad Aspartame is for you. I told her it's completely safe, but she ended up showing me some bullshit article about how it causes brain damage, multiple sclerosis, memory loss, methanol poisoning and a bunch of other shit. After I completely refuted every single point the article made, she still refused to accept that aspartame is safe. These kinds of people are so invested in their warped view of reality that they are completely uninterested in truth.
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I had a co worker ask me why I drink diet soda. Well, I want caffeine and I don't want to get fat. She says, I thought the diet stuff made you fat too. I'm like, there's no sugar in it. She says, so instead of sugar you're going to drinkchemicals?!?!I'm no scientist here, but I think sugar is in fact a chemical as well.
 
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Tuco_sl said:
Do they also include certain living conditions for animals? Etc is 'organic beef' legally required to have come from a cow that fucked around in a field all day instead of being locked in a small cage? Or is that defined by a different requirement?
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Absolutely not. Giant organic farms look exactly like regular farms in feeding them corn and packing them by the thousands in small buildings. I'm not sure on this, but I think there is a regulation for organic that the animals have access to the outside. But in those cases they are still packed by the thousands in tiny buildings, the only difference being no enclosure and "access" to the outside through a door that 99% of the animals will never be able to reach due to the thousands of other animals blocking their way. Not sure on that one, but I know that organic livestock live essentially the same lives as normal livestock.

Look for "Free range" to indicate animals living as they should in a field, etc.
 
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hodj_sl said:
Not really sure. Its not the most heavily regulated thing. I mean these criteria are all generally determined in a range. You can have X amount of Y but no more and still qualify as "organic" or whatever. And the differences between organic and non organic in terms of like pesticides residue, all fall within similar ranges and within the cited tolerance ranges, so no difference in outcome is noticed in terms of health of people eating one or the other.

Probably meat is the heavier regulated side of it, versus fruit and vegetables
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That's my big issue with "organic." What we think of in our heads as organic, and what the FDA allows to be marketed as organic, are two completely different things. I'm sure we'd all love to only eat what we think in our heads is organic. But the crap in grocery stores isn't it...it's just shit that's more expensive.
 
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Did i heard it right for the age of that organic food chef ? 107 year old ? Mishearing or fake ?
 
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Eorkern_sl said:
Did i heard it right for the age of that organic food chef ? 107 year old ? Mishearing or fake ?
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It was bullshit. It was a shot at people who believe organic is that much better for you, and thus make you live longer.
 
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Elurin_sl said:
That's my big issue with "organic." What we think of in our heads as organic, and what the FDA allows to be marketed as organic, are two completely different things. I'm sure we'd all love to only eat what we think in our heads is organic. But the crap in grocery stores isn't it...it's just shit that's more expensive.
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That's exactly it. The only way you're getting real "organic" in the broad sense that most consumers think the term means, is to contact local growers directly and purchase directly from them. It is possible. It is a hassle. It is more expensive.

As for the 107 year old thing, I thought that was some sort of joke, to be honest.
 
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Elurin_sl said:
Pretty much this. Monsanto sucks ass because they've patented genetic material (which is legal, and where my biggest issue is) and lock farmers into exclusivity agreements with what they can do with their crops and seeds. Mostly, they're not allowed to reseed with what they've planted. It's all fucking ridiculous.

They've currently got a case going against a farmer who bought seed from a seed farm that was predominately Monsanto seed and used roundup on it. They're claiming it violates some non-sense, despite the fact that he's not under contract with Monsanto. Monsanto is the MPAA/RIAA of farming.
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How much do you think a bag of soybeans would cost if seed company's did not protect their R&D investment by preventing Bin run planting? Nobody is forcing farmers to purchase seed from these companies. If they do not want to follow the tech agreements they should not purchase the seed.
 
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Kaita_sl said:
How much do you think a bag of soybeans would cost if seed company's did not protect their R&D investment by preventing Bin run planting? Nobody is forcing farmers to purchase seed from these companies. If they do not want to follow the tech agreements they should not purchase the seed.
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yeah, no one is forcing you to use those superior strains. But wait? they are better? no fucking shit. And it cost money to develop them. R&D costs, yes you have to pay to use them.


Pesticides are pretty specific nowadays. 20 years ago. sure DDT, hard metals and shit. Poison to everyone and everything, and lasts YEARS.
regulation is very high. Most pesticides have life spans measured in days or weeks, before they chemically break down. And even then, they have very specific modes of action, interrupting a specific part of an insect or group of insects life cycle.


PS. Nature is scary. There are things FAR more deadly and horrible for you in nature, then we can even fucking DREAM about. "natural" is stupid. Know what else is natural? mad cow disease, tape worms, salmonella, etc.


And genetic engineering has been going on in food/plants for 12,000 years. Selective breeding at the minimum. Cross pollination, hybridization, and, forced mutation in more extreme cases, until modern controlled engineering.
 
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