GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings

they keep dicking with the timeline so its hard to tell when things happen in relation to other things. the time between bran waking up after being marked and the Hotarded green dream could be as long as a day which is plenty of time for an army of fast movers who never get tired to arrive.

The NK is going to feel super dumb when he stands at the front door for the time it taked the iron borne to build 1000 ships and the entire time the cripple crew snuck out the back.

So... how many "others" white walkers are there - there where 4 at Bran and one got killed - how many where at hardholm and 1 or 2 got killed there? the one sam killed.. Why didn't the children of the forest have dragon glass arrows and just snipe the fools? Speaking of children of the forest, are they /all/ dead now? If its their magic that made the others you would think they would know how to kill them better than throwing little bombs at them.

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He is captive by the Freys in the books but he wasn't at the wedding in the show. Didn't they say he just died of old age in the show?

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Greatjon is captured and Smalljon is decapitated at the RW in the book.

In the show, Greatjon was sent by Robb to reclaim some territories. Smalljon announces his death when he hands over Rickon.

Who gave two fucks about Shireens death? Burning her in the show was so preposterous I cant even logically decide whether or not it was important. Davos asked about it real quick but never got a straight answer and looks like he forgot about it just like Stannis.

I never seen a guy so fiercely loyal....to multiple people in succession. Stannis dead?, welp, looks like Ill defend the lord commanders corpse with my life! If Jon dies hell swiftly become Podricks council and defend his life till the bitter end as well.

Ukerric_sl said:

Apparently, the showrunners got 3 spoiling from Martin, Shireen's death, Hodor's origins, and the end of the series. So until then, we're in total improvisation mode, but the show will reconnect to the books at the very end of S8...

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I'd imagine they got more than those. That's just all they've specifically mentioned. You realize if they tell you the other specifics they've received from Gurrm, they'd be spoiling their own show, right?

I'm pretty sure they were provided the end game for certain major characters (ie, their fate), unless you are including that as "end of the series".

Drinsic_sl said:

I'd imagine they got more than those. That's just all they've specifically mentioned. You realize if they tell you the other specifics they've received from Gurrm, they'd be spoiling their own show, right?

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We were told how Dany dies and if Tyrion is an honest and fair king of Westeros or cruel

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TJT_sl said:

Lithose, I like your thought but I am fairly certain Greatjon Umber didn't die at the Red Wedding. Thus negating his revenge motivation. Correct me if I am wrong.

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We don't know, unfortunately. They couldn't get the actor back, so he wasn't shown at the Red Wedding. In the book he's captured at the Red Wedding, his son is killed. The show is different. I believe he wasn't shown just because the actor, I forget how or if they explained it

Lenas_sl said:

Greatjon is captured and Smalljon is decapitated at the RW in the book.

In the show, Greatjon was sent by Robb to reclaim some territories. Smalljon announces his death when he hands over Rickon.

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Is there a scene in the show where they say this? I must have forgotten if so.

TJT_sl said:

Yeah Smalljon just said he, "died on his own."

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Well "He got himself Killed" right? I took that to mean he died in a battle somewhere and the son just wasn't being specific on how he died because it would probably implicate the Boltons in fucking things up (Even if he died taking back territories--it was probably affected by the Boltons revolt, since the armies of the North, which would have come to back up the Umbers, were culled a great deal at the Red Wedding.)

Sort of on board with the Umber theory. Saw some speculation that the letter from Ramsay that Jon and Sansa got is a forgery. They show the seal can just be slid off the rolled up letter instead of having to be broken, so the seal could have been taken from a different letter. Some of the wording is different too (Ramsay always says "flaying", not "skinning" and "hounds" instead of "dogs") and the general tone is coarse. Fits Umber quite well.

The messenger that arrived was wearing Bolton colors but I imagine those could easily have been obtained after the battle with Stannis.

Ukerric_sl said:

He's given them a general outlinebut only 3 special moments. So yea, Tyrion's dialog is entirely from them.

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That isn't what the article suggests:

During the producers? sit down with the author in Santa Fe two years ago, Martin famously sketched out a very rough plan of how he intends to end his saga in the books.

Showrunners David Benioff and Dan Weiss tell EW those conversations included ?three holy sh? moments? in particular.

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People were speculating earlier how much info they received from Martin. Being told of three crazy moments doesn't mean that they don't have a complete picture of how the series ends, it just means that out of the complete conclusion there were 3 moments that were totally unexpected. Doesn't mean they aren't privy to more information or that there aren't any other major twists or surprises left

Ukerric_sl said:

He's given them a general outlinebut only 3 special moments. So yea, Tyrion's dialog is entirely from them.

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You added the "but only" to add context that is not in the article. Not truthful.