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Rhanyn

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I don't feel like they did a good job of showing it in the show, but I've always felt that LF got to the point he had succeeded so much in all his other absolutely fucking insane endeavors that he was on auto pilot at the end. It happens to a lot of greats, think they've gotten so big or so good that they can't fail in the face of a smaller challenge. I mean compared to helping orchestrate the death of the current king, setting off a civil war between two of the greatest houses, and rising from a grandiose pimp and information peddler, to the acting Lord of a powerful house with an as of yet unmolested military.... they should have done a better job showing him believe that playing some dumb northerners against each other was an easy layup beneath his time and attention. Some of that is there, him saving Sansa, and then her by turn not ratting him out, probably made him feel like he had more of a hold on her, especially after he can clearly see her starting to apply what he's been "teaching" her. Then you've got him trying to stir shit with the old raven's scroll, and really the big place that he failed, was in understanding who he was dealing with. Up to this point, LF has never really spent a lot of time in the North, and has moved into a culturally and politically different world. So I like to imagine, all cocksure and puffed up from a long running winning streak, he strolls into the North thinking it will be like taking candy from babies, only to discover that stubborn built in loyalty and honor that doesn't really exist in the South anymore. He got sloppy playing the game, and it only takes half a slip in Westeros to get fucked.

I think the whole Sansa being married off to Ramsay for reals in the show undermined a lot of that. I mean you take that betrayal away, and it would make way more sense to believe Sansa could be enthralled by him, but with that in there, only an idiot would assume she herself wouldn't cut his throat herself, which I was actually a little sad didn't happen. Keeping it as is, they should have cut out any contact between them after he gives her to Ramsay, until after the Battle of the Bastards. Much easier to have him tell her before he gives her away, to just send a raven, and he'll bring the might of the Vale to help her. Everything else plays out the same, then you have a much more believable environment for some intrigue to occur, and a much better route to the "surprise motha fucka!" execution. GIF for full affect.

 
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pharmakos

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Huh? Littlefinger has known about the Army the entire time. He says to Tywin that dark forces were at work in Renly's death. He said he imagines Bran has seen things beyond the wall that most men wouldn't believe.

He says to Tywin that rumors were of dark works. Idk if he actually believed in it himself. Stannis' ghost baby doesn't have much to do with the Night King's army tho. And yeah, he says that to Bran, but he says that after his writing went to shit, so doesn't that mean my half assed haywire brain theory still works?

I don't really believe it anyway, like I said. Was just an interesting thought for half a second.
 

Rhanyn

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Also, I'm both excited for the final season tonight, and worried as fuck they are just gonna hot rod this last season straight into the grave. The show definitely evolves over time, as it should, but I'm nervous they are going to rely to much on the flashy epic finale bits, and just slop the rest of it around because who cares, DRAGONS, UNDEAD, EXPLOSIONS!!!... cue Michael Bay and print. I mean essentially that is where the story is leading, and I want to see all of that, as long as they don't lead all of the story and character building they've done so far out back and shoot it in the process.
 
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Also, I'm both excited for the final season tonight, and worried as fuck they are just gonna hot rod this last season straight into the grave. The show definitely evolves over time, as it should, but I'm nervous they are going to rely to much on the flashy epic finale bits, and just slop the rest of it around because who cares, DRAGONS, UNDEAD, EXPLOSIONS!!!... cue Michael Bay and print. I mean essentially that is where the story is leading, and I want to see all of that, as long as they don't lead all of the story and character building they've done so far out back and shoot it in the process.

I'm in the same boat, I'm excited but also dubious.
 
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Sounds like maybe just one episode will be a huge battle. Not sure what they even fill the rest with at this point tho if so.
 

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As much as I want to believe everything will be awesome, it's going to be impossible to write a satisfying end to this series. GRRM's endless delays are probably because of this too, there's just too much going on to ever write a satisfying conclusion.

Still, excited to watch and I'm going to have to basically unplug from the internet in between the show airing in the US and in Europe (monday evening). Catch you autists in 24 hours...
 
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Merrith

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Not sure what other character building there is to be done at this point. Other than to find out how everything was designed to end and see the main characters' reactions to the truth about Jon. At this point I only really care about the big explosions/fights/etc...Cleganebowl and the huge fight against the White Walkers/Night King. Honestly if they solve that before going after Cersei the ending will be a little anti-climatic.
 
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Juvarisx

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Sounds like maybe just one episode will be a huge battle. Not sure what they even fill the rest with at this point tho if so.

Miguel Sapochnik is doing Episodes 3 and 5, based on runtime those should be Winterfell and Kings Landing. I wouldn't be shocked based on his previous work they are purely set in those locations
 
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What's the over-under on tonight having the Night King roflstomp Winterfell?

I'd be very surprised if the final battle of the series doesn't happen at King's Landing. Yeah though, I don't see Winterfell not getting smashed in the first couple of episodes.
 

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What's the over-under on tonight having the Night King roflstomp Winterfell?

I don't know if it will manifest in the show but in the books the North really is super fucked. The Boltons in Winterfell are eating horses as there's no food and Ramsey destroyed all the greenhouses, the refugee crisis at the Wall is massive, fields have been burned, stores looted, Stannis is fucked, etc. There's just been too much fighting right before what looks to be a long winter and death rides tall in the saddle. I wouldn't be surprised if The Battle of the Bastards in the book is a five vs five.

We are shown that multiple houses in the North are down to basically children to carry the family name. Everyone else is just fucking dead.

Aside from my expectation that the North gets immediately routed by the army of the dead something that I'm looking for is Lady Melisandre leaping in to the frozen maw of Viserian and returning him to life. In the books the ritual involves breathing fire in to the body and while we didn't get that in the show I'm thinking that is going to be how she goes out - full on Rlyeih lord of light miracle dragon resurrection to turn the tide.
 

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Come on now. We all know Euron is going to drive inland on his land walking ships that he just built yesterday and slay the Night King. You know it's coming, dont deny it.
 
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TheNozz

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Just like to take the time now to reiterate my theory that, when all hope seems lost against the white walkers, Bran is going to warg back in time to his younger self and prevent him from seeing Cersei and Jamie knockin boots.

This will somehow create a new timeline where the kingdom united against the threat of the walkers earlier.

A lot of people will now still be alive, including Ned
 

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Maybe. But that change for Bran would literally have zero change on Danys path other than Selmy and Tyrion never joining her. She still would have a giant badass army and curb stomp Westeros on an open battle field.
 

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I always sort of suspected that he'd die when Dany and some dragons attacked the Eyrie with how much they built up how impregnable it is and how often they reference dragons shitting on castles like Harrenhal. Not going out like a bitch.

Could've been better overall but enjoyed watching him grovel like a bitch.
 

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The North can't fall, because if it did, the living can't win unless a massive Deus Ex Machina is pulled out. Night King resses the fallen army, GG he can now super zerg the rest of the world.

Winterfell ends with at least a stalemate or a Pyrrhic victory. I'm guessing we lose a fuckton of major characters in that battle and possibly another dragon. That being said, I don't think they will actually be able to defeat the Army of the Dead. I think ultimately there is going to be some manner of "truce" where the white walkers get to basically own most of the north or get re-contained behind a new wall.
 

Asshat wormie

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A good way to end the show would be with the undead victory. Fuck the humans.
 
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A good way to end the show would be with the undead victory. Fuck the humans.

Reading the books way back when I was waiting for the walkers to be revealed as the only hope versus a psychotic Danny bent on burning everything everywhere.

I did not think much of her.

Bran is going to warg back in time to his younger self and prevent him from seeing Cersei and Jamie knockin boots

Pls no time manipulation
 
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