Only one problem with their version of events. Margaerydoesset the goblet down on her and Jeoffrey's table, not her grandmother's. It's a clear shot and they must have deliberately chosen not to use it. In none of the actual scenes is the old lady anywhere near the cup. She could have easily handed the jewel off to Margaery, though.
im sure i am wrong, but this was not a Tyrell plot but a Littlefinger plot that used Olenna to deliver the poison. i actually dont think margary has done anything wrong. even later on when Cersei was trying to prove that she wasnt a virgin and drinking moon tea, she never had any proof of it and all her stupid plots backfired on her.It's all kind of moot since they are all complicit in the deed, regardless of how it was done in the show. We may get the actual details later. I wouldn't expect someone to look down in the cup and drop something into it from a few inches above, though. Since Margaery is closest to the king, she would be in an ideal position to poison Joffrey. Olenna is not - There's a good chance she would never have the opportunity. As I mentioned above, as well, when Olenna leaves the table and walks back towards her seat you see a movement which could be described as a handoff of some type. For Olenna to poison the cup she would have to reach over the table while the pie cutting was going on and drop it in - a much more obvious maneuver (and again assumes that she knew she'd have an opportunity like that to begin with).
Again, I'm just speculating on how the show went with it, I definitely could be wrong. But I present Exhibit B:
(this shot had no purpose other than to show Olenna walking back to her seat)
It's very quick and subtle, but margaery can be seen making a movement towards Olenna as she passes after speaking with Sansa - a movement towards Olenna and her hands look as if they go up and down quickly. (If you get a chance watch the scene in HD and the movement is much more obvious.
While not directly stated, Margaery definitely knew about the plot, whether or not she did the deed. You would think both Olenna and Margaery would have thought it through a bit before doing anything, so the fact that the Tyrell's are like oh shit, we didn't think this through really doesn't prove anything.
For reasons of the show, it definitely makes sense to tie them together since the was between Margaery and Cersei is going to get heated up this season, not Cersei and Olenna, And MArgaery is about to be painted as a bitch in her own right.
So yeah, until the show explains otherwise, I'm going with Olenna grabs poison from Sansa, who was the unknowing middlewoman of LF and Olenna, and then hands it off to Margaery since she's in the best position to poison him, which she does while the cup is in her hands. In the show, she is the only person aside from Tyrion, Joffrey, and Sansa to touch the goblet. In the book, Joffrey places the cup down on the table himself.
If anything Petyr instigated and facilitated the killing of Joefrey but did it in such a way that Olenna was most responsible and involved. I also think Margery was fully complicit and may or may not have played a part in the poisoning. Whether she did or didn't isn't even that important because I am confident she knew about the plot or was told afterward.
Yeah, I always felt that Margaery's status in the books was kind of left up in the air. Is she a Cersei-level conniving bitch, or a genuinely good heart? Or both? I could never quite pin her all the way down; Martin leaves her true intentions pretty vague. The show makes it extremely clear what she is after, though alot from her character is going to be gleaned in the coming weeks as to whether she is just another Cersei or someone who actually wants to do right by the realm.
i think Margaery is one of the "good" people on this show. its rare, like maybe a handful actually go out of their way to do good deeds instead of think of themselves. i dunno if she knew about the plot to kill joffrey, she might have, but i dont think she helped. throughout the books and the tv show she has always been 2 things, helping the poor and wanting to be a queen so she can help the poor. she is the reason behind why Renly was so well loved and the reason why that Joffrey didnt have an open revolt. the peasants love the shit out of margaery and she loves the shit out of them. imagine her as a daenerys without dragons
LF played both sides.
She's a more intelligent Cersei with different priorities.
Nah. Tyrion had been blowing up at Joff so much I have to believe that Littlefinger knew EXACTLY who would be blamed. He knows everything, and Cersei would have blamed him even had he been in prison with his tongue cut out for the past 6 months. You're right about the rest though. But he needed to get her husband out of the way as well.
She is a conniving bitch but she is not a mustache twirling villian like cersi who is both to stupid and to evil to do even small tokens like giving left overs to poor people to keep the populace from rioting.
Oh, right, married. Somehow I overlooked that. Probably because he wasn't banging her, which seems to be a pretty big deal in Westeros divorce court.
