The Freys are a lesser house than the Starks too. But they were in the north. And they were critical at the time. And Robb promised Walder he'd marry one of them.I think the issue is (not 100% sure if they did this in the show or not with her) that she was high born but to a lesser house. So a bit more than your standard issue brothel worker.
Yeah watching Olenna clown on Mace Tyrell cracks me up.She was high born... in Essos.
Also about the father fixing marriages... it does not seem like the father does much in Tyrell land!
The Frey's being salty about their house status is pretty evident but Robb still married a chick from a house that was completely dwarfed by the Freys. Maybe not in the history of Westeros but in terms of modern position it was a greater house than what Robb married.The Freys are a lesser house than the Starks too. But they were in the north. And they were critical at the time. And Robb promised Walder he'd marry one of them.
Yeah I'd agree with that.My point wasn't that Robb's decision not to keep his promise to Walder Frey wasn't a stupid decision it was that it wasn't near as stupid as other things we've seen from characters on the show, it was only one stupid decision amidst a number of great ones and he really shouldn't have expected the repercussions it had.
I think I only partially agree. He should have expected it until they broke bread. After breaking bread it was unthinkable.My point wasn't that Robb's decision not to keep his promise to Walder Frey wasn't a stupid decision it was that it wasn't near as stupid as other things we've seen from characters on the show, it was only one stupid decision amidst a number of great ones and he really shouldn't have expected the repercussions it had.
Yeah, I think rob probably thought he was winning the war so didn't give a shit if he broke the oath he made to Frey. That and his young age lack of experience and nativity of chivalry over practicality (bringing justice over his own bannerman who were fueled with rage against lannister). I mean that shit really bothered me because a good king does not do that shit and lose good amount of men in the middle of this war.Robb was 100% an idiot for not marrying the Frey girl like he promised. The GoT universe is pretty clear about how high nobility must marry pragmatically. I mean shit, his own mother was promised to his uncle and got passed to his dad after his uncle died.
I can't think of any highborne who weren't married off to other highborne for functional reasons and didn't end up getting fucked.
I'm not sure I would. How many times was he told "Dude this is a HUGE mistake" and not until his wife was getting stabbed in the baby did he realize was a dumb fuck he was. That is pretty extreme head-up-assedness. I can't think of any other example on the show that matches the sheer stupidity of that choice.Yeah I'd agree with that.
Sometimes, you gotta retaliate or otherwise why the fuck are you a Lord in the first place, with hefty amount of bannerman under your arm. Your bannerman wants vengence for their Lord's death and that's what you give them.Well, he was fighting a revolution of sorts. It was stupid but at least there was an internal logic to it. He wasn't just fighting to sit in the big chair. He was fighting for goodness and love and honor!
It does make you wonder a bit if that spoiler vid that went around is the story that was hinted but not told. That his wife was a whore sent to seduce him into breaking his vow and ruining his cause. Pretty subtle and long term with a low probability of success no matter how many whores you salt his camp with. I prefer to think that at least. It adds more depth to it.
Obviously even if so it went a little bit less than plan. I doubt getting stabbed in the baby was part of the mission.
Arya is only sufferable because of the Hound. Like how I can deal with Sansa now that Littlefinger is around. Bran is now pretty cool since he can take over Hodor at will.The only Stark I like is Arya. The rest of em are noobs.
I think it is kinda funny that Little Finger is starting his shit back up.. in S1 it was obvious he was doing the puppet master thing and started everything with the dagger plant etc... I think Jamie getting captured was a stopping point in his plan- no one expected the lannisters to ever be routed on the battle field let alone Jamie captured/killed - now that he is back, he can start turning his gears again on his plan. Also he seemed = with the spider, or bald ballless guy in S1...now he is kind of a non player and almost stepped out and the bald dude is just in self-survival mode.. but his card was always forces from the east and using that to manipulate the west- and I guess now that the dany ball is rolling he is just waiting.Arya is only sufferable because of the Hound. Like how I can deal with Sansa now that Littlefinger is around. Bran is now pretty cool since he can take over Hodor at will.
Take that back ill smack u in ur gabber m8. bloody cunt.Arya is only sufferable because of the Hound.