GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings

GRRM wouldn't of chosen the specific prologue he did if he wasn't going to resurrect Jon post-death (e.g. his mind being preserved once he is inside Ghost). Combine this with the following:

• R'hllor's burial rite has resurrected one person (Beric) when performed by a Red Priest and once more when performed by the resurrected.
• Melisandre repeated statements about her powers growing vastly while on the wall.
• Melisandre choice to stay at the wall despite how disastrous the last battle went without her.
• Consistent statements about the wall preserving the flesh (both living and dead).

Unlike Beric and Catelyn, they have set up a perfect resurrection of the mind and flesh. Would be odd to set up all of this and then completely ignore it, not impossible, but unlikely.

Cad_sl said:

You mean kind of like they have set up an invasion by zombie-rising magical beings held back by a prehistoric magic wall and the magical rebirth of dragons, both of which have had precisely zero influence on Westeros thus far?

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But not zero influence on the actual story, significant page count has been devoted to both for better or worse.

P(Jon returns) > P(Gurrm finishes the books)

mimirswell_sl said:

GRRM wouldn't of chosen the specific prologue he did if he wasn't going to resurrect Jon post-death (e.g. his mind being preserved once he is inside Ghost). Combine this with the following:

• R'hllor's burial rite has resurrected one person (Beric) when performed by a Red Priest and once more when performed by the resurrected.
• Melisandre repeated statements about her powers growing vastly while on the wall.
• Melisandre choice to stay at the wall despite how disastrous the last battle went without her.
• Consistent statements about the wall preserving the flesh (both living and dead).

Unlike Beric and Catelyn, they have set up a perfect resurrection of the mind and flesh. Would be odd to set up all of this and then completely ignore it, not impossible, but unlikely.

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Except if he gets ressed into his body, its still a messed up body due to the numerous stab wounds

so?

Ashin_sl said:

Except if he gets ressed into his body, its still a messed up body due to the numerous stab wounds

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what? you mean like beric?

God dammit and chicks dig scars. Jon Snow gunna be stealing all our women.

Ashin_sl said:

Except if he gets ressed into his body, its still a messed up body due to the numerous stab wounds

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Stab wounds? These are speed holes!

Cad_sl said:

Lots of pages but how has the main Lannister/Stark/Iron Throne plot been affected by it? Or by Daenerys at all either. It's always this thing where "oh THIS chapter, the white walkers will get through the wall and everyone will have to unite and ride north to fight" or "Daenerys is really getting on the ship to Westeros this time" ... but she doesn't and they don't.

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I've always had this feeling that the Westeros/Dorne stuff was a big buildup to some grand moment where the kingdoms become sort of united and stand together against the White Walkers, and get absolutely mauled. That is when all the supernatural elements basically come to save the day, or at least postpone the end of the world. The characters we enjoy who aren't rolling deep with dragons and magic get to show us the perspective of people who thought they had the world figured out and discover that so much more than they knew/believed is out there.

And of course, that's when Samwell figures out how to kill all the magic off from the Maesters and the book ends with him grinding up fresh dragon bones and white walker entrails to make penis enlargement potions.

I mean there really isn't too many ways to end that.

So now that it's been confirmed this upcoming season will spoil the books, should we switch the thread titles? Should the book readers beware?

Well, I look at it another way. It isn't like the elements I mentioned are missing from world, just that large portions of them deal with petty squabbling when clearly greater threats exist. And the supernatural has pervaded even the mundane portions of the books as well. Wildfire becoming stronger once dragons popped back up, Melisandre and everything attached to her, the Starks being able to warg out, the faceless men, "Robert Strong," the whole invasions of the north by the Iron Islands and the supernatural stuff involved with Euron and now Victarion's hand. I mean it isn't as if the supernatural elements are going to fall to the wayside. It is just one continuous message that the normals are focusing on the wrong stuff, and that the "game of thrones" is just weakening the kingdoms when the real threat is coming at them from the north. The struggle in the kingdoms really highlights how petty the squabbles of normal men are when compared to the real threats in the world. If anything, the struggle is needed to further build up that the Wall and the various supernatural elements are the only way this gets resolved in favor of the normal men, since they themselves will just fall to internal power struggles if left to their own devices.

And honestly I was being slightly tongue in cheek up there, but for me one of the greatest mysteries in the series aren't the walkers/dragons themselves. To me, the most interesting thing from a "what the fuck what?!" deal is the concept that Oldtown was somehow linked to the death of the dragons and the removal of magic from the world, since those powers are effectively uncontrollable to normal people. That entire deal could be a silly plotpoint used by some shady guy to pull the wool over Samwell's eyes, but it does raise a lot of questions that can reasonably be argued from other information in the books. How that works out will be interesting, and I personally think that it will end up being the true bridge between the supernatural elements and political elements in the books.

You talking about the scene with the baby?

Well it started with Robb's wife and baby getting totally offed mainly for book spoilers as that was an "ambiguous" line of story etc.