GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings

Eyashusa_sl said:

Those two or three women the camera seemed to focus on in the courtyard, are those his mistresses?

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Yes. You saw them when Ramsay was torturing Theon Greyjoy.

Siddar_sl said:

Well if you look at it from a winning the game perspective he has given Sansa a very powerfull chip in the control of the North to a very week faction in the Bolton's. They have Stannis to north about to invade, the iron islanders looking for vengeance for what Ramsay has done, the north in general upheaval by the murder of Starks by treacherous means by the Bolton's, then you have Lannister's aka Cersie to the south who will be enraged someone she likely believes was involved in her sons death Sansa being placed in a position of power.

One of my biggest questions here is why the Bolton's would risk crossing the Lannister's.

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A few things:
1. The Boltons are pretty fucked since Tywin died. Roose knows the North remembers, and knows that without Tywin to keep him supplied, supported and defended it's only a matter of time before the Karstarks, Manderlys, Umbers etc turn on them and spit them out.
2. The only way Roose can keep his throne is by putting a Stark in his household and there's only one Stark available. He's cunning enough to know LF is playing him, but it's his only route forward.
3. LF is making a huge gamble also, because he loves Sansa, sees her as his trump card and knows the Bolton's reputation for violence. However, he doesn't know just how sadistic Ramsay is. If he knew he probably wouldn't go for the deal. Ramsay is another Joeffrey, but more comfortable and intelligent in his sociopathy.
4. I think LF's short-game is to ally with the current rulers of the North to fortify his position as lord of the Veil. His mid-game is to use Darth Sansa to take over the Bolton's family in a similar way that the Tyrells had Margerie take over the Lannister family. He will likely have to kill Roose Bolton to accomplish this. If this is done by Darth Sansa convincing Ramsay Bolton to assassinate his own father, then this show is amazing if predictable. I think it'll be something else.

His long term game though? I have no idea. Maybe kill Ramsay, then marry Sansa. By that time they'll be overrun by wildlings, Stannis the Mannis and ultimately white walkers. I feel like LF would be more enjoyable of a character if he was one of the few players of the game who understood the threat of the white-walkers and was positioning himself to take advantage of their destruction and ultimate defeat by spring. Instead he seems to be consolidating his power in the north where he'll be victim to them.

Tenks_sl said:

The Lannisters are as weak right now as they'll ever be or possibly ever will be. The heads of the house are now a one handed man known for having no honor and his sister who has short-sighted plans and can never get out of her own way. The throne is as ripe for the taking now than it ever will be. Most of the heads of houses in this show are never satisfied with what they have so of course Bolton isn't happy owning the north. He wants it all.

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Roose Bolton is definitely happy just owning the North. It's all he could ever hope for.

IMO: Roose's thinking was, "The only way I can stay Warden of the North is with the only known living Stark on my side. But is there a real upside for LF here? I can't stop him from fucking me, but I want to know how bad it's going to be."

The line about the North and the Vale conquering the 7 kingdoms is also pretty dumb. Roose Bolton is not a prime Eddard Stark, Petyr Baelish isn't Jon Arryn and there is no prime Bobby B with a giant warhammer to lead the charge. The Lannisters and Tyrells aren't reviled amongst the nobles like the Targaryens were and neither the Boltons nor Baelish has a real army.

Tuco_sl said:

His long term game though? I have no idea. Maybe kill Ramsay, then marry Sansa. By that time they'll be overrun by wildlings, Stannis the Mannis and ultimately white walkers. I feel like LF would be more enjoyable of a character if he was one of the few players of the game who understood the threat of the white-walkers and was positioning himself to take advantage of their destruction and ultimate defeat by spring. Instead he seems to be consolidating his power in the north where he'll be victim to them.

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Completely unrelated, but it reminds me of a bit of GoT Trivia. Last season when sansa is testifying to the lords of the vale and reveals who she really is, she mentions that she's met Lord Royce before, when he was in winterfell escorting his son Waymar to the wall. His son waymar and 2 other NW guys are the ones shown in the initial pre-title sequence before season 1 episode one, when they find the dead wildlings and are killed by them when they become wights. One of the companions escapes and flees, and is later beheaded by Ned Stark in episode 1.

Azrayne_sl said:

What I don't get is all this "Darth Sansa" talk - yeah, she accepted the proposal when he talked her into it and it's obvious she's being primed to move up to become a major player, but she's nowhere near that stage yet and is still very much a tool of Littlefingers, the only difference is that now she knows and accepts the nature of the game, she's been forced into a realistic worldview, but it's going to take her a lot of time and experience to learn to move within it. She's not going to turn into a master manipulator overnight.

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We'll see. They could go either way. She's spent 5 seasons being completely stupid and useless. Will show become a Margery Tyrell by the end of the season? Probably not, no. But she doesn't have to be to become a major player of the game since she has plot armor.

I wonder what role Theon will play. I feel like he will catch Sansa's scheming, tell Ramsay about it, then Ramsay will disregard it and punish Theon. Then Theon will turn face and help Sansa.

Tenks_sl said:

We know the Tyrells want sole custody of the throne so something could be struck with them. Possibly LF knows that as well.

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Like what? What do the Tyrells have for LF, and what does LF have for the Tyrells?

The Tyrells and Boltons are natural allies, because I think neither has aspirations within each other's kingdom. Ollena Tyrel probably views LF as a threat.

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No one speculating as to what message Cersei sent to LF?

I feel like it'd be, "if you come kill this bitch I promise I will marry you and not kill you I promise"