GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings
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Gavinmad
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Holy shit I didn't even realize Jeyne Westerling isn't even Jeyne Westerling in the TV show, she's Talisa Maegyr. That slams the door on some things but that's for the spoiler thread.
We already discussed Ros, I ranked her 4th. Oona Chaplin does have a pretty banging bod, but if we're talking tits only she's definitely not top 4. Whole body, she might move up a spot or two.
Gavinmad
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Just realized the argument I had somebody about the Westerlings was almost certainly completely pointless. He speculated that they intentionally tried to set Robb up with Jeyne, which is dumb, I speculated that they could have been hiding her pregnancy because of the potential political advantage to being able to present the Stark heir if the fortunes of the Lannisters ever fell.
What I didn't realize was that Jeyne isn't even Jeyne in the TV series, she's some chick named Talisa from the free cities in Essos. Aside from being of noble birth in Volantis, she's a complete nobody which is likely why they decided to kill her off instead of having Robb leave her behind, the only thing he did with regards to the Red Wedding that wasn't the act of a fucking moron. So the Westerlings almost definitely didn't set Robb up but it also seems like there's no chance of them hiding Robb's heir.
and I know that Martin has said that there will be no Stark heir, but he could easily be lying, and the Westerlings adding to the chaos of Daenerys' invasion by presenting Robb's heir and pressing his claim to Winterfell would be exactly the kind of thing he would write if his last 2.5 books hadn't made him seem like a talentless hack.
What I didn't realize was that Jeyne isn't even Jeyne in the TV series, she's some chick named Talisa from the free cities in Essos. Aside from being of noble birth in Volantis, she's a complete nobody which is likely why they decided to kill her off instead of having Robb leave her behind, the only thing he did with regards to the Red Wedding that wasn't the act of a fucking moron. So the Westerlings almost definitely didn't set Robb up but it also seems like there's no chance of them hiding Robb's heir.
and I know that Martin has said that there will be no Stark heir, but he could easily be lying, and the Westerlings adding to the chaos of Daenerys' invasion by presenting Robb's heir and pressing his claim to Winterfell would be exactly the kind of thing he would write if his last 2.5 books hadn't made him seem like a talentless hack.
Chukzombi
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fake mance death, fake mountain death, possible fake hound death. im sure there are more.
Gavinmad
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It's not impossible, but I it would be hard to pull off without Jeyne being in on it, and I think the only way she would be willing to bother with that kind of plot would be if she was guaranteed a nightly bathtub full of Bolton, Frey, and Lannister blood to luxuriate in.
Would be awesome if the band without banners had somehow come across the Westerlings with Jeyne in tow and Jeyne came face to face with Lady Stoneheart. I think they'd end up BFFs.
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Gavinmad
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Except I never said the 'The Westerlings are definitely hiding Robb's baby', I said it was a cool possibility that they should have left open. The other guy was like 'DUDE THE WESTERLINGS TOTALLY PLOTTED WITH TYWIN AND THAT PLOT REVOLVED AROUND THEIR DAUGHTER RANDOMLY MEETING AND FALLING IN LOVE WITH ROBB'
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you're mad that grrm didn't leave that possibility open? So the show followed suit and didn't as well? Cus you know grrm had tywin do what is totally in character for tywin to do and clean up all the lose ends, which in this case was having her mother feed her abortion meds to prevent pregnancy, and then arrange a good marriage for her and her siblings except that she can't wed for 2 years so that there is literally no possibility that any child she gives birth to can possibly be connected to robb stark.
that chapter was almost an afterthought. Just like Jeyne westerling. He only threw that in to prevent stupid crazy fan theories that robb left behind an heir. And somehow ppl still manage to cling to the opposite?
grrm decided that robb would die the moment he decided to kill Ned. He was originally going to die in battle vs Joffrey, and then later he was going to die in a red wedding esque event north of the wall. This was all when it was originally a simple trilogy. As he expanded and fleshed out the story and backgrounds things changed but the trope that the main character (ned) cannot die was immediately followed by "ok his son will avenge him" (robb) also had to die. you are holding out hope that his grandson will? that's even worse.
grrm needed a way to kill robb that made sense to the story and decided to base it on the black dinner from scottish history. He needed an ally to turn on robb, decided to make it the freys, but needed a reason for the frey's to betray other than something as simple as money. So almost as an afterthought he threw together a hastily crafted marriage and spends all of 0 effort on any of the details. It happens entirely "off screen" for #reasons. it doesn't matter. it's just a plot device to allow the red wedding to happen, which was the goal.
leaving it at that leaves too much room for crazy fan theories like this secret heir shit so he squashes them completely via tywin being tywin. that's that. it couldn't be spelled out any clearer if grrm came to your house and told you himself.
that chapter was almost an afterthought. Just like Jeyne westerling. He only threw that in to prevent stupid crazy fan theories that robb left behind an heir. And somehow ppl still manage to cling to the opposite?
grrm decided that robb would die the moment he decided to kill Ned. He was originally going to die in battle vs Joffrey, and then later he was going to die in a red wedding esque event north of the wall. This was all when it was originally a simple trilogy. As he expanded and fleshed out the story and backgrounds things changed but the trope that the main character (ned) cannot die was immediately followed by "ok his son will avenge him" (robb) also had to die. you are holding out hope that his grandson will? that's even worse.
grrm needed a way to kill robb that made sense to the story and decided to base it on the black dinner from scottish history. He needed an ally to turn on robb, decided to make it the freys, but needed a reason for the frey's to betray other than something as simple as money. So almost as an afterthought he threw together a hastily crafted marriage and spends all of 0 effort on any of the details. It happens entirely "off screen" for #reasons. it doesn't matter. it's just a plot device to allow the red wedding to happen, which was the goal.
leaving it at that leaves too much room for crazy fan theories like this secret heir shit so he squashes them completely via tywin being tywin. that's that. it couldn't be spelled out any clearer if grrm came to your house and told you himself.
Gavinmad
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I guess reading comprehension isn't your strong point. It's still entirely possible that Jeyne's mother lied about slipping her the anti-fertility potions when she was knocking boots with Robb. It's also possible that they could just come up with a fake heir like Agraza said. I've already acknowledged that the chances of this happening are effectively zero, especially with how they replaced Jeyne with someone who wasn't from Westeros and killed her off in the show, but it's not impossible.
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I forgot we read different books. In the books I read Tywin, at the time, was the most feared, most powerful person in westeros, who spent his youth building his house to be the most powerful, feared, respected house in westeros, who wiped out vassal lords root and stem when they showed disloyalty or attempted to usurp his power. A man instrumental in the downfall of the great targaryen dynasty. So feared was the Tywin in the books I read they even wrote songs about him. I read that he could squash any dissenters by simply sending a bard to play the "rains (reynes) of castamere." After this same Tywin just orchestrated the red wedding, the downfall of the king of the north, the utter destruction of his army, and the death or capture of all his northern vassal lords, he merely turned his fucking gaze towards his own minor vassals, a completely impoverished house of no consequence, and they jumped through fucking hoops in order to appease him and avoid his ire.
But yeah in your books he must of been some chump and they totally would of lied to him, plotted to keep hidden a secret "heir" to the smoldering ruin that is the north, of which they have no means of proving his lineage, no one left alive to vouch for their story, and no support to do anything with even if they could, all to appease their what, 14 year old whining brat daughter and her puppy love infatuation for the guy who took her v card?
your books sound kinda terrible, btw. Not sure what chinese knockoff store you bought them from or what two bit hack authored them, but you should try reading the real ones.
But yeah in your books he must of been some chump and they totally would of lied to him, plotted to keep hidden a secret "heir" to the smoldering ruin that is the north, of which they have no means of proving his lineage, no one left alive to vouch for their story, and no support to do anything with even if they could, all to appease their what, 14 year old whining brat daughter and her puppy love infatuation for the guy who took her v card?
your books sound kinda terrible, btw. Not sure what chinese knockoff store you bought them from or what two bit hack authored them, but you should try reading the real ones.
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cant believe im defending gavin, all he said was that its possible, he didnt say its probable. there are nutty theories on the net that the jeyne in the book is actually a sister and the real jeyne is tucked away somewhere possibly pregnant,
when he starts backing up that shit your verbal diarrhea will have merit
when he starts backing up that shit your verbal diarrhea will have merit
Gavinmad
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The same Tywin who caught a crossbow bolt from his dwarf son in the gut while sitting on the shitter? He wasn't instrumental in the downfall of the Targaryens, he sat on the sidelines doing nothing until the war was all but won after Robert won the Battle of the Trident, sacking King's Landing through treachery while his son did the real work by stabbing the king in the back. I'm also curious how the North is a smoldering ruin seeing as how there is still plenty of fighting over it, and Winterfell has been rebuilt enough for Ramsay to keep all his men there to await Stannis? Also, the Stark name is apparently so important that they pretend Jeyne Poole is Arya Stark to strengthen Ramsay's claim to Winterfell, but the son of Robb Stark would be absolutely meaningless, because there is no proof of who he is. Just like there's tons of proof that Jeyne is really Arya.
I wonder what books you're reading.
I wonder what books you're reading.
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you think that video is defending gavin? lol that video is proof of how batshit you have to be to believe that theory and how little evidence actually exists to support it. Can't believe i'm saying this, but thanks astro for being just crazy enough to prove me right.
PS you know that grrm has stated he wished he had made Robb a POV character so that none of this insanity would of taken hold, right? it's one character he regrets not making a POV. Unlike say Varys or LF who are intentionally kept secretive or in the shadows.
PS you know that grrm has stated he wished he had made Robb a POV character so that none of this insanity would of taken hold, right? it's one character he regrets not making a POV. Unlike say Varys or LF who are intentionally kept secretive or in the shadows.