GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings

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I think the Twins is a likely location for a major battle against the Undead marching south towards King's Landing, due to it being smack in the middle and the last major bottleneck between the North and the Capitol.

So the Freys may still have a role to play down the road.
 
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So true.

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Ambiturner_sl said:
You think she killed her brother just because he was a Targ?

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khalid_sl said:
She is clearly proud of her Targaryen name. Thinking that Dany has some blood vendetta to kill the remaining Targs other than her is just... well, its Astro level.
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You can't draw that parallel from what I have said at all. She never trusted her own brother. She isn't going to trust an oath breaking bastard just because of a possible name. She has been hurt before and badly.

Most of you are acting like they are going to see each other and instantly know and run to each other's arms.
 
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I don't think the North/Vale is going to get so involved in the shitstorm that is going to come about down South. King's Landing and House Lannister (unless Jaime plays his cards very very carefully) is going to get its shit fucking ROCKED.

Whatever mechanism weakens Dany as she does this is going to tire her out a bit. She will parlay with the King in the North Jon SnowStark and it will be a diplomatic solution before the WW fight begins in full.

There are two clear consolidations of power going on. The South is declaring for Dany, the North is declaring for Jon. Both sides are completely isolating House Lannister in this regard. Like I said yesterday. After that episode House Lannister stands alone.
 
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a_skeleton_03_sl said:
You can't draw that parallel from what I have said at all. She never trusted her own brother. She isn't going to trust an oath breaking bastard just because of a possible name. She has been hurt before and badly.

Most of you are acting like they are going to see each other and instantly know and run to each other's arms.
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Yeah because saying 'if she finds out and believes it' is definitely the same thing as 'instantly know and run to each others arms'.

Twit.
 
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I just figured he wasn't even supposed to see that kid. The kid was probably making sure everyone was in the Sept and that the trial had begun. Lancel happened to see it, ends up getting shanked. What was more unbelievable is why the kid would just stab him once. He got awful close to foiling the plan.
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What I didn't get was why did Lancel chase him in the first place? I had kind of forgotten about Qyburn's creepy kids, but I guess it was common knowledge for the faith militant?, Otherwise why would Lancel see a kid and immediately say, "get the others" and chase this creepy looking kid. And for that matter what did "get the others" even mean. Obviously not, hey guys go back in the sept and let the rest of the faith militant know that something fishy is indeed going on out here. They were right outside the sept, they could have ran in and told evil Bernie Sanders they needed to leave. Not that I think they could have gotten to safety in time, it was a pretty big explosion. Even if Margaery was able to leave when she first wanted to I don't think she gets to safety in time, but it would have at least been plausible for her to be alive.
 
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All I am saying is that him being a Targ doesn't help move the plot line at all. It's just fan service at a certain point. There is zero benefit for him to be one and more benefit for him to be a Stark.
 
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You would have to assume so. Besides, we know for sure she murdered Frey's kids, carved them up, baked them and served then to him. That is some next level serial killer shit, whacking some random kitchen maid barely even rates on the morality meter.

It explains jaqen's smirk at her 'fuck you, I do what I want' speech. As far as outcomes go, skilling her up and letting her do her own thing would seem to get a big tick in the death god's win column.
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She is going to turn into an serial killer if she isn't one already. Arya has enjoyed killing since that scene with the Hound in the chicken-eating place and has been getting ever more inventive and cruel since (remember the scenes with Meryn Trant where she tricks him and then stabs his eyes out to let him suffer more, and obviously the Frey Pie this episode). It's all fairly heinous and I don't see her stopping once the initial list runs out.

On a related note, with so many now dead I wonder if we're going to get a heel turn by any characters next season. We have Euron as a possible threat, the WW obviously and that's about it. Jamie/Cersei conflict is a given but there are few other characters to oppose Dany.
 
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ZyyzYzzy_sl said:
He's both (Stark and Targ), which is presumably important to the storyl5
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Presumably but not in a way that we have already thought of and discussed because I debunked all of those.

His blood is going to be literal fire (Targ) and ice (Stark) so that he can rebuild the world with a command maybe.

If it matters then it matters in a way that has not been discussed yet and won't be something mundane like Dany can't have a kid so she HAS to give it all to Jon. You tell her that, like I said, her translator will get the entire world instead just to spite everyone.
 
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a_skeleton_03_sl said:
Presumably but not in a way that we have already thought of and discussed because I debunked all of those.

His blood is going to be literal fire (Targ) and ice (Stark) so that he can rebuild the world with a command maybe.

If it matters then it matters in a way that has not been discussed yet and won't be something mundane like Dany can't have a kid so she HAS to give it all to Jon. You tell her that, like I said, her translator will get the entire world instead just to spite everyone.
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Oh I agree with you, but just pointing out given all the prophecy, legend, and foreshadowing being of Ice and Fire will presumably matter towards the conclusion of the overall story.

Edit - Thinking Dany will get an incest induced lady-boner over her nephew and make him her heir is dumb. If anything, based on his actions she will figure out (with Tyrion's council probably) that he is an asset to her in someway.
 
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In fact I envision Jon taking up arms against Dany quite easily. The Targs were "villains" to everyone and the Starks felt strongly about it. Jon is like Ned and will follow tradition to prevent her from taking the crown.
 
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Not sure if it was mentioned, but thought about how strange it was for Tormund/Davos and the Free Folk to be talking about why they follow Jon, and always making it very clear that Jon "isn't a King". Well...he basically is now, wonder if that changes things for what's left of the Free Folk.
 
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ZyyzYzzy_sl said:
Edit - Thinking Dany will get an incest induced lady-boner over her nephew and make him her heir is dumb. If anything, based on his actions she will figure out (with Tyrion's council probably) that he is an asset to her in someway.
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Who the fuck said anything about an incest induced lady-boner? He's the only surviving member of her family, by succession law she's his heir, not the other way around. Like I said, there's no way she'd say 'oh well I guess you get to be king instead of me' but he already is an heir of House Targaryen.

When I was originally thinking she'd marry him, I was thinking aunt to nephew was the same distance as cousin to cousin, which means not incest in Westeros, but since it's one step closer than cousin, Jon would be unlikely to agree and Dany probably wouldn't either.
 
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Twilight Sparkle_sl said:
Who the fuck said anything about an incest induced lady-boner? He's the only surviving member of her family, by succession law she's his heir, not the other way around. Like I said, there's no way she'd say 'oh well I guess you get to be king instead of me' but he already is an heir of House Targaryen.
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Back to my question. What does House Targ own any more? What rights do they have? What power?

None.

So if Dany wins it all she is the power regardless of her blood line. Her blood line doesn't matter. At all. To the victor goes the spoils. She can decide to say he isn't my blood line because he is only 50% and they all inbreed to be 100%. Now put him to death.

The point is just being a Targ gets him nothing and hurts him in every way. He has to bring something to the table other than that. Look at the discussion about him as king of the north. They said they don't care about his bloodline and him being a bastard because he has proven himself to them. That's all that matters, his bloodline is secondary. It will be the same for his Targ aide. He will need to be worth something to Dany for more than just blood. If that's the case then blood line doesn't matter at all really.

Ser Bronn, Ramsay, LF, and quite a few others could explain to you how little bloodline matters when inheriting lands and titles. So could Robert if he was still alive.

BTW can you call it House Targaryen if there is just a single woman in the house ... a barren woman at that?
 
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