GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings

Cad said:

No they're just going with the "we know they should auto-win if they use the dragons, so... lets just contrive some way that they don't use the dragons!"

It's like Dany waited until her dragons were grown and she had an army to come over here with and then gets here and decides not to use either.

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Seriously. Tyrion being all, "don't wanna rule over ashes!" when he knows damn well you only need to burn the Red Keep to the ground.

Needless said:

Bruh i got them mixed up, i thought they killed her for some reason not kidnapped her lol

either way, they went pretty hard on the 'famous last words' emphasis in that episode, the girls talk shit then get put in their place.

theon is 'the protector' then gets cucked and goes full reek-tard

now our fat boy hot pie is destine to get murdered for saying he was a survivor

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Euron has taken Ellaria Sand, and the remaining Big Titty Sand snake as prisoners. I think he also has Yara as a prisoner even though the body hanging from the bow of the ship in a noose at the end of the battle looked very much like Yara. But they didnt show him actually killing her so I dont know.

kegkilla said:

Pretty sure it was the two sand snakes hanging

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oh yeah, that makes more sense. the bull whip snake hanging by her own whip

Gravel said:

The longer this goes on, the more I think GRRM should've stuck with his trilogy idea. He really had no clue how to wrap it up. Really, books 4 and 5 were a bunch of meandering bullshit.

I don't want to do the book spoiler thing, but it's clear that he just threw in a bunch of random characters and other arcs that were completely irrelevant. I think because he didn't know where he wanted to go. Almost like he has writers ADD.

I wouldn't be surprised if when Winds of Winter comes out, it's 2000 pages of nothing happening.

I agree, the show runners are basically just trying to get to the finish line. I even wonder how much of an outline they have now. I kind of wonder if it isn't just maybe Jon and Dany's stories and that's it. The rest they're shooting from the hip with.

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Books 4, 5, and 6 are all bullshit filler because he decided to skip the 5 year gap. He wrote books 1-3 with the idea of starting book 4 with the words "5 years later" that's why all the characters start out so young and why the all conveniently end book 3 at training phases.

He decided against this idea so he could tell the story of Cersei. Nobody gave a shit about Cersei except astrochuk. So its 3 books (whenever the 6th book is finished) of bullshit filler, the occassional chapter checking in on the main characters training, and a bunch of new random bullshit characters that nobody gives a shit about who all go off and die before the end of the 5 years when he finally gets back to the main storyline.

D&D did a fucking excellent job of converting the shitshow of books 4/5 into season 5, and converting what we know about book 6 into season 6. It's really a great highlight reel of the most boring trite shit ever.

Gravel said:

Oh yeah, and this reminded me. I said all the Dragonstone shit was cringe last night, but I really wanted to highlight the Varys scene. That one really bugged me. It was just completely out of left field. One of those, "oh shit, we need some conflict" scenes.

It's like Daenerys suddenly thought it was time for some infighting. "We've finally managed to make it to Westeros...time to start ripping apart my inner circle, because reasons!"

If you can't tell, I'm really disappointed in the writing this season.

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Someone else already corrected you on this but this is the dumbshit i've seen in a thread that's already nothing but retards flinging poo at one another.

This was the best most long awaited scene in the story so far and its the only scene that makes perfect sense.

Varys has worked against her all the way up until he decided he wasn't working against her, but she never knew that. This was their first meeting in person ever. He's done a lot of shit to her, responsible for the loss of her husband and child, attempted to murder her repeatedly all throughout her childhood, kept her constantly fleeing and fearing for her safety. Spied on her since she reached adulthood. sold her off to the dothraki to get her shitty brother and army.

I'm surprised she didn't burn him alive then and there. It would have been shit writing had her response been anything less than what it was.

Xenrauk said:

That whole scene really bothered me. How many years he's been serving her already, through all the shit conquering and holding cities, sailed to westeros, brought her two of the biggest allies against Cersei, and NOW out of the blue wants to question his loyalty? Seems like me and Tyrion had that wtf look on our faces the entire time.

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read above. been serving her 0 years so far, been her arch-nemesis for her entire life before that. Not his choice per se, just following orders of Robert Baratheon sure, but he's still responsible.

Also he didn't sail her to essos, Knight's loyal to the targaryans ran off with her and her brother. He didn't give two shits about her until last season when he sent Tyrion her way. Illyrio and he were only interested in her brother, but when he died and she ran off into the dothraki sea they stopped giving a shit, in fact he tried to murder her.

Later when she had proven herself capable on her own Illyrio sends her Sir Barristan to guide her. Actually in the show I don't even think that's true, Barristan tracks her down on his own. They never lift a finger for her until he sends her Tyrion.

The only reason Varys isn't dragonfood right now is because he showed up to the table with the Dornish and Tyrell armies. Otherwise he would be.

Gravel said:

Eh? You're kind of forgetting about the whole fact that Varys is the one who smuggled Daenerys and Viserys to Essos to be taken care of by Illyrio in the first place.

Varys is the only reason she's even alive, and is the one behind bringing her (or her brother) back to Westeros to rule.

I mean, shit, he's probably the most loyal to her family in the entire fucking series.

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See above, you are fucking wrong as shit.

Caliane said:

all around terrible episode for me. Even the battle was just annoying, because it was so.. hollow?
stealth ships? Equipped with GPS? how the fuck did he even find them?
fireball cannons? no really. where the fuck did he get fireballs? Why hasn't anyone been using them?
theres no set up, drama, or logistics. its just main characters teleporting from scene to scene.

deus ex ballista for circe. again, oh thats a thing? that for some reason was not being used?

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fireball cannons? theyre firball catapults and they used them a bunch of times in the show.

its basically Westeros version of Greek fire.

Gravel said:

Varys has been around a while though. He was in Essos and they sailed across the Narrow Sea together. Why the fuck was this happening at Dragonstone?

I still don't think I'm wrong. Read the history of Varys. Dude was loyal as fuck to the Targ's.

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Nah you are wrong. Feel free to watch the show again.

Uber Uberest said:

I agree with you Gravel , I'm pretty sure Sylas is forgetting a lot of Danyers and Varys interactions.

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don't give a fuck, you are wrong. feel free to continue your history of being wrong about everything.

btw this episode was written by Bryan Cogman. You may recognize him as the most direct book to screen translator that the show has. His episodes are nearly verbatim from the source material, with even less adaptation than the episodes that GRRM wrote (when he used to write for the show)

you are pretty fucking dense you know that? Illyrio gave her petrified dragon eggs, yes. They're antiques more than anything, like giving her a sharks tooth. something to symbolize what her family used to be. If he had any godddamn clue she was going to sacrifice king's blood in a funeral pyre and awaken dragons from the stone you think he would of given them away? Like he could predict that shit would happen and take credit for giving her fucking dragons. Lol

What you need to do is rewatch Season 7 Episode 2. you don't even have to rewatch the whole show.

The very scene you are crying about explains everything I just said, if you had simply watched it instead of crying about it.

She says this is the first chance she's had to speak to him, thanks him for bringing her the Tyrell and Dornish Armies
Then she immediately starts to question his loyalties and all the shit he put her through all her life, mocking the way Illyrio used to goad her retard brother on ("drinking secret toasts to his health, calling out for their rightful king", etc), that he was using him.
He admits he had no idea who the fuck she was until he sold her to Khal Drogo.
He states he only decided she meant a shit when she came in to power and was ruling Meereen, until that point it was her brother they were after, til he died, then she didn't matter.