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The kicker is, we actually got 3/4ths a beef, in a house of 5 adults... Wife and I are staying with family as a temporary thing, and we got 1/4th, and other family in the house got 1/2.

For those that have experience with this, how well wrapped does it come from the butcher to fend off freezer burn? It call came wrapped and frozen, but should we do more to it, to protect it?
It doesn't come well wrapped at all (from my experience, but it all depends on your butcher). Ours also came "pre-frozen" as my in-laws picked it up (as they got the rest of each) and delivered it later.
 

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I wish I could buy 1/8 cow for a reasonable price in south Florida. The limited research I've done, doesn't really sound like a great deal. Anyone know of a good source for that kind of thing in this region?
 

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The kicker is, we actually got 3/4ths a beef, in a house of 5 adults... Wife and I are staying with family as a temporary thing, and we got 1/4th, and other family in the house got 1/2.

For those that have experience with this, how well wrapped does it come from the butcher to fend off freezer burn? It call came wrapped and frozen, but should we do more to it, to protect it?
I think in butcher paper you should be pretty good for a year or more. I'm suprised that it isn't in vacuum bags. I think pretty much all of the butchers around here have gone to that over butcher paper but when I was growing up all our meat was always in butcher paper and as I recall freezer burn wasn't a major issue unless it was in there for a long time.
 

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If Rocky has taught me anything, its that sides of beef hang on hooks in freezers. so freezer burn should not be a problem. BTW, where are you guys paying 4.64 a pound for 80/20? over here in jersey its 3.99 for 80/20 at the local Shop Rite. also why is ground beef, bacon and eggs so expensive these days? gas prices are tumbling and the meat and egg prices are still climbing.
 

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There has been like a 10 year drought in the southwest causing tons of ranchers to sell off their cattle so the national cattle herd is at it's lowest point in 30+ years. At the same time, export demand has greatly increased with more people achieving middle class status in Asia. I am selling calves for 2.5 times what they went for 5 years ago and while the drought has broken down south at least currently, it will take a few years for them to get their herds rebuilt and they are buying our heifer calves and old cows for ridiculous prices right now.

Pork supply has also been down due to a lot of death loss from sort of flu bug that has been going around. No clue on the eggs.
 

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If Rocky has taught me anything, its that sides of beef hang on hooks in freezers. so freezer burn should not be a problem. BTW, where are you guys paying 4.64 a pound for 80/20? over here in jersey its 3.99 for 80/20 at the local Shop Rite. also why is ground beef, bacon and eggs so expensive these days? gas prices are tumbling and the meat and egg prices are still climbing.
Corn is being subsidized to make ethanol rather than feed, thus making feed more expensive. More expensive feed = more expensive meat. Pork also was decimated by an illness that killed a ton of pigs. Strengthening dollar should curb exports and start driving down prices.
 

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well shit, both of those things suck. i thought it was a plot by the reverse vampires to ruin the meal of breakfast.
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Corn is being subsidized to make ethanol rather than feed, thus making feed more expensive. More expensive feed = more expensive meat. Pork also was decimated by an illness that killed a ton of pigs. Strengthening dollar should curb exports and start driving down prices.
The part about ethanol is sort of true, but corn is actually cheap as hell right now. Also what is left of the corn after you make ethanol still makes excellent cattle feed. That is part of the reason that the feedlots are willing to pay such outrageous prices for calves.
 

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So Brutul, as a cattle rancher what are the effects of using corn to feed cows? Is it as bad as everyone makes it out to be? Does it really fuck up a cow's digestive system and cause all sorts of issues?
 

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I'm no expert on it, but I don't think there is much science behind that shit. Food paranoia is crazy and there is tons of propaganda from groups that want everyone to be vegan that is just flat out lies but it's hard for the lay person to dig though what is real and what isn't. From my observation, when cows eat hay they belch, shit, and get fat and when they eat corn they belch, shit, and get fatter. I have never run a feedlot but I do supplement cows in the winter with corn (and hay) from time to time when grass is not available. I have been told that cattle have to adjust to different types of feed and the bacteria in their gut changes depending upon what they are eating, but I'm not sure if that's what these folks are talking about.

If you are interested there was a great article from a month or two ago in National Geographic (which I don't think anyone could reasonably consider ag industry propaganda) about feedlots and the effect of meat eating on the environment that I thought was a really worthwhile read.

Carnivores Dilemma - National Geographic
 

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The part about ethanol is sort of true, but corn is actually cheap as hell right now. Also what is left of the corn after you make ethanol still makes excellent cattle feed. That is part of the reason that the feedlots are willing to pay such outrageous prices for calves.
I am by no means an expert. All I know is that for the last year cheese has been at record highs and they said it was a combo of low herds, high feed prices and high demand from China. That combined with the illness driving up pork prices have made the last year really fun to be in the pizza business :/

Thankfully cheese has dropped like a rock, pork is still hurting the bottom line though.
 

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So Brutul, as a cattle rancher what are the effects of using corn to feed cows? Is it as bad as everyone makes it out to be? Does it really fuck up a cow's digestive system and cause all sorts of issues?
When I was a kid, and I could be remembering this incorrectly, but it seemed like my Dad specifically bought corn fed beef as opposed to grass-fed on account of the flavor. Now the world has turned upside down and grass-fed is the preferred method for consumption.

I have my doubts as to if one could actually tell the difference in taste between the two.
 

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That's because corn is bad. High fructose corn syrup. Gubmint subsidies. Children of the Corn. I mean, it's the devil's vegetable!
 

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Don't forget - Monsanto and their genetically modified corn strains. We'll all grow three arms next generation. It's true.
 

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When I was a kid, and I could be remembering this incorrectly, but it seemed like my Dad specifically bought corn fed beef as opposed to grass-fed on account of the flavor. Now the world has turned upside down and grass-fed is the preferred method for consumption.

I have my doubts as to if one could actually tell the difference in taste between the two.
Corn fed is cheaper and is/was widely available in the midwest. Grass fed does taste better imo, and better for you, it's finding proper grass fed beef for the average consumer that is the problem. There is a lot of working the system to still qualify as grass fed. Farm land is also more valuable in the midwest to grow crops then to just let cows mow the lawn.

Now with everyone going super healthy in the fucking fastest country in the world, there is a shit ton of money to be made on things like grass fed and organics.
 

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That's because corn is bad. High fructose corn syrup. Gubmint subsidies. Children of the Corn. I mean, it's the devil's vegetable!
Don't forget - Monsanto and their genetically modified corn strains. We'll all grow three arms next generation. It's true.
Exactly.

I am by no means an expert. All I know is that for the last year cheese has been at record highs and they said it was a combo of low herds, high feed prices and high demand from China.
Yeah, corn was high a year ago so farmers did what they always do when the price is high which is plant way too much of it the following spring and fuck themselves in the ass for the year. This year the weather cooperated so the crop was huge, hence the low prices this fall.

Now with everyone going super healthy in the fucking fastest country in the world, there is a shit ton of money to be made on things like grass fed and organics.
Yeah, but grass fed will always be a niche just because there isn't enough grass to meet the beef demand. Organic is just feel good hippy bullshit but that doesn't mean people aren't willing to pay for it. I have eaten grass fed most of my life. Not by choice or preference but just because that was what we had. I think you can probably tell the difference but it's not that significant vs. corn fed. I believe that grass fed cattle also emit more greenhouse gasses whatever that is worth.
 

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If Rocky has taught me anything, its that sides of beef hang on hooks in freezers. so freezer burn should not be a problem. BTW, where are you guys paying 4.64 a pound for 80/20? over here in jersey its 3.99 for 80/20 at the local Shop Rite. also why is ground beef, bacon and eggs so expensive these days? gas prices are tumbling and the meat and egg prices are still climbing.
jersey also, morrisplains i do a weekly acme/stop & shop/shop rite. at my location only the whole spanish chicken (i don't know why it's spanish chicken, but i'm pretty sure it says pollo)is a great deal at shop rite, 1.49/lb
 

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Something that doesn't quite make sense to me is that I can get fully cooked rotisserie chickens for 1.66/lb at Sam's club but the packaged, raw whole chickens are like 1.78/lb. If I lived closer to Sam's I would buy one of those 3-4 times a week.