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Soysauceonrice_sl

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Borzak_sl said:
I'll have to look up my notes on the Heller case. I'm about to crash. I was up late reading the law in NY and spent the day out of town at a hospital with a relative.
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I don't think you're remembering correctly. The Heller II case dealt with registration requirements of assault weapons but it went as far up to the court of appeals in D.C., not the supreme court. Heller I went to the SCOTUS but was about registering handguns. Heller II basically rejected undue burden standard for intermediate scrutiny.

With respect to the registration question, the court had no problem upholding registration for handguns, but remanded the issue to the lower court for further fact finding in regards to registration requirements for "long guns", not because the registration requirement was unconstitutional, but because, and I'm quoting directly from the opinion:

In the light of these evidentiary deficiencies and "the importance of the issues" at stake in this case . . . we believe the parties should have an opportunity "to develop a more thorough factual record." . . . [In another case that the court cited] rather than invalidate a legislative judgment based upon that shortcoming, the Court remanded the case for development of "a more thorough factual record." We follow suit by remanding the novel registration requirements, and all registration requirements as applied to long guns, to the district court for further evidentiary proceedings.
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You can read the casehere
 
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So.... state reps got together and came up with a solution that best fit their state, in their minds? Working as intended? Or maybe the end of liberty as we know it, i guess.
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Yes this is exactly what happens. It happens all the time too. You know, Michigan passing right to work laws, Wisconsin passing collective bargaining reform, South Carolina and countless other states passing Voter ID laws. Marriage laws in other states. Arizonas immigration laws.

Those are all states rights, correct? That was just a bunch of state reps getting together, finding solutions that best fit thrie state in their minds. That too is completely working as intended, right?

Glad we're on the same page Chaos. I was wrong about you, but glad to see you agree. My bad for accusing you earlier.
 
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My concern is the push for a national AWB. Media speculation is Obama is going to announce some sort of political move / demand for an AWB tomorrow along with those Biden recommendations.
 
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Yes this is exactly what happens. It happens all the time too. You know, Michigan passing right to work laws, Wisconsin passing collective bargaining reform, South Carolina and countless other states passing Voter ID laws. Marriage laws in other states. Arizonas immigration laws.

Those are all states rights, correct? That was just a bunch of state reps getting together, finding solutions that best fit thrie state in their minds. That too is completely working as intended, right?

Glad we're on the same page Chaos. I was wrong about you, but glad to see you agree. My bad for accusing you earlier.
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They're not all states rights issues. If a state increases the sales tax, that isn't a state's rights issue, because that's just something that states can do. If Arizona passes immigration laws and the govt. objects because it claims preemption under the constitution, THEN it is a "states rights" issue. Just because a state does something doesn't make it a states rights issue. Go troll him somewhere else.
 
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Soysauceonrice_sl said:
If Arizona passes immigration laws and the govt. objects because it claims preemption under the constitution, THEN it is a "states rights" issue.
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And when the government passes a law that the people object because it claims a constitutional right, then.....??????? Majority rules, then?
 
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AladainAF_sl said:
Yes this is exactly what happens. It happens all the time too. You know, Michigan passing right to work laws, Wisconsin passing collective bargaining reform, South Carolina and countless other states passing Voter ID laws. Marriage laws in other states. Arizonas immigration laws.

Those are all states rights, correct? That was just a bunch of state reps getting together, finding solutions that best fit thrie state in their minds. That too is completely working as intended, right?

Glad we're on the same page Chaos. I was wrong about you, but glad to see you agree. My bad for accusing you earlier.
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Only you boots......
 
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Flunklesnarkin_sl said:
My concern is the push for a national AWB. Media speculation is Obama is going to announce some sort of political move / demand for an AWB tomorrow along with those Biden recommendations.
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There may be AWB suggestion in there, but Obama does not push agendas in aggressive manner. He hasn't for the past four years and won't be going to do it now. At most, he'll get a capacity magazine limitation in terms of real restrictions, but I'd bet money there will not be a outright 'AWB' in the final piece of legislation. Too many fingers in that weapons sector lobbying pie for that to go down that way.
 
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AladainAF_sl said:
Yes this is exactly what happens. It happens all the time too. You know, Michigan passing right to work laws, Wisconsin passing collective bargaining reform, South Carolina and countless other states passing Voter ID laws. Marriage laws in other states. Arizonas immigration laws.

Those are all states rights, correct? That was just a bunch of state reps getting together, finding solutions that best fit thrie state in their minds. That too is completely working as intended, right?

Glad we're on the same page Chaos. I was wrong about you, but glad to see you agree. My bad for accusing you earlier.
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Hard Truths Cut Both Ways
 
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Awesome.

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I would cut myself trying to replace the magazine, assuming it has one. I can't quite tell how it's loaded.
 
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Exactly.
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I'll just quote myself:

me_sl said:
Again, explain to me what GOVERNMENT you are talking about. You cannot point to individual STATE governments as proof that "THE GOVERNMENT" is coming to take your guns.State governments are far more representative of the will of the people than are the Federal Government.If New York and California began contemplating more gun bans, it's because the extreme liberals that live in New York and California have voted in other extreme liberals that want to ban guns.
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If the people in New York overall disapprove of the law, they'll kick the bums out of office.
 
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AladainAF_sl said:
Yes this is exactly what happens. It happens all the time too. You know, Michigan passing right to work laws, Wisconsin passing collective bargaining reform, South Carolina and countless other states passing Voter ID laws. Marriage laws in other states. Arizonas immigration laws.

Those are all states rights, correct? That was just a bunch of state reps getting together, finding solutions that best fit thrie state in their minds. That too is completely working as intended, right?

Glad we're on the same page Chaos. I was wrong about you, but glad to see you agree. My bad for accusing you earlier.
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Voter IDs are blatant discrimination, marriage laws cross state lines and attempt to write discrimination into law, immigration falls under the federal government's jurisdiction historically does it not? But yeah, other than that, these things are all the same!

Or should I say... both sides are bad?
 
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AladainAF_sl said:
And when the government passes a law that the people object because it claims a constitutional right, then.....??????? Majority rules, then?
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Aladain: Big faggot or biggest faggot?

When a law is passed that some people object to on constitutional grounds.... holy shit, this has never come up before! HOW COULD OUR FOREFATHERS HAVE BEEN SO SHORTSIGHTED? HOW WILL THE REPUBLIC SURVIVE WITHOUT SOME SORT OF MECHANISM TO CHALLENGE LAWS ON A CONSTITUTIONAL BASIS?

God dammit I hate you so much.
 
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Soysauceonrice_sl said:
State governments are far more representative of the will of the people than are the Federal Government
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That's nice. Sometimes the people are shitty and should have their rights protected from the will of the people. You're acting like it's a good thing that it's easier to shit on people at the state level. It isn't. If you're unclear on the ethical mechanics at play, rewind the clock to before the civil rights movement for the necessary context.
 
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chaos_sl said:
Voter IDs are blatant discrimination, marriage laws cross state lines and attempt to write discrimination into law, immigration falls under the federal government's jurisdiction historically does it not? But yeah, other than that, these things are all the same!

Or should I say... both sides are bad?
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Lol. Requiring people to have identification is racism? I know the "proof" is going to be a liberal rag quoting some republican, but lets be honest. You should have an ID to vote. Come on. Anyone out in public should have ID on them at all time.
 
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