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Borzak

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Kreugen_sl said:
That's a nice writeup Borzak but it isn't true in my state and some others. But yes the proposed law isn't about gun shows and is about any private sale anywhere.


EDIT: And by some I apparently mean 33 of them. But I admit my source was a quick wiki check.
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That's the extent of federal law, from the 1934 National Firearms Act (restriced sale of automatic weapons and requires a tax stamp on them and destructive devises) and the gun control act of 1968 (prohibited mail order purchase of firearms) and the Brady Law of 1993 (background checks). Some states have more restrictive checks and delays etc...

Here we don't have anything extra and if you have a conceal carry permit you can bypass the check entirely.

People talk as if guns are easier to get now then ever. Prior to 1934 you could buy a full auto Tommy Gun at your local hardware or general good store and prior to 1968 you could order guns via mail order and have them delivered to your home. I have several guns that were ordered prior to 1968 thru various vendors and even government programs for $5-$25 each (by other family members). Prior to 1986 it still required a tax stamp and law enforcement sign off to purchase an automatic weapon but the price was almost identical to a semi auto. You could buy a full auto AR-15 prior to 1986 for approximately $300 or about $25 more than a semi auto one. That same rifle today would cost upwards of $10,000 compared to $1,000 for a regular AR-15.
 
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I would like to reduce the problem to simply this:

Banning/restricting thesaleof new firearms will take decades and decades to have any appreciable impact on gun crime, whether or not you think the number of gun crimes is significant. You have toremovethem. Outlaw them and confiscate them (due compensation clause of course, lol $$$).

So the way I look at it is this: if you are anti-gun and not prepared for the the blood idiots all over the country will cause including police stand offs ateveryhouse in some counties, then what you actually want to do is nothing. You just want to be associated with the idea of hip progressive legislation without facing the realities of disarmament. Buybacks may work in some areas, but the entire country is definitely not on board with that idea.
 
Kreugen

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I'd go farther and say that anything other than an outright ban + removal of all firearms is a useless waste of resources. And since that can't/won't/shouldn't happen, this whole thing is an exercise in futility.

Mostly the discussion is about making fun of the derps who are huddled in their survival shelters clutching their guns waiting for Osama to come take them away. Which also won't happen, but just try to tell them that.
 
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Kreugen_sl said:
I'd go farther and say that anything other than an outright ban + removal of all firearms is a useless waste of resources. And since that can't/won't/shouldn't happen, this whole thing is an exercise in futility.

Mostly the discussion is about making fun of the derps who are huddled in their survival shelters clutching their guns waiting for Osama to come take them away. Which also won't happen, but just try to tell them that.
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No doubt. The real answer is focusing on mental health and identifying and helping the people who have the problems that make them want to, oh I don't know, MASS MURDER PEOPLE. Call me crazy, but I'm only 28 and in my life time I've seen the emergence of the internet and the entirety of culture shift from social interaction to 'NOW GOD DAMNIT NOW'. I feel like Robert Oppenheimer every time I show someone the pivot table button and they pull out prayer beads and start chanting like they've just been delivered from the hellish eternity of actually understanding what the fuck is going on into the paradise of 'I push teh buttan!'
 
Kreugen

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The problem is the government can't really help out with mental health care either. Not without people screaming SOCIALISM. What are you going to do, require every citizen to get a mental health checkup that the government has access to as part of your background check? Yeah fucking right. Or maybe you have a federal program where people in need can get subsidized mental health care? (pause for laughter) Again, good luck. The Greater Good sounds nice and all until it involves ones tax dollars. I do appreciate the irony of the NRA calling for such a socialist initiative, though.
 
Kreugen

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aychamo_aycono_sl said:
Is there or is there not a ten round limit for mags in Obama's plan?
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The President's plan for a mag limit is essentially "go on tv surrounded by children, cry a little, then ask Congress to please pass a law limiting the size of magazines" Banning assault rifles or requiring background checks for private sales also falls under this part of the plan.

If you don't understand why Obama isn't actually kicking down doors and taking citizen's guns away - as you perhaps may have heard on Facebook or twitter or from practically any republican anywhere - I'd be happy to explain why that can't actually happen here in Reality Land.
 
Ignatius

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Flank_sl said:
Because your kids are not a target in the same way that Obama's kids are. The chance of your kids being kidnapped is extremely small. There are a lot of people out there who would want to kill Obama's children just because he is president.
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I can see your point, but I would think in such a scenario where his family was compromised, the 25th amendment (specifically clause 6) would kick in and we would have Acting President Biden. I think a valid argument could be made for a president whose family was under siege/capture is incapacitated and unable to perform his job.

Not saying that in a derogatory manner either. If someone took my loved ones, I couldnt possibly make rational decisions.
 
Gavinmad

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Ignatius_sl said:
I can see your point, but I would think in such a scenario where his family was compromised, the 25th amendment (specifically clause 6) would kick in and we would have Acting President Biden. I think a valid argument could be made for a president whose family was under siege/capture is incapacitated and unable to perform his job.

Not saying that in a derogatory manner either. If someone took my loved ones, I couldnt possibly make rational decisions.
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It's inappropriate for the family of our nation's leader to ever be at risk in the first place for multiple reasons. I don't understand why this is even a discussion, are people honestly shitbrained enough to think the presidents family doesn't deserve a secret service detail, or that the issue of first family security is even remotely related to the school shooting/armed guards debate in the first place?
 
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Gavinrad_sl said:
It's inappropriate for the family of our nation's leader to ever be at risk in the first place for multiple reasons. I don't understand why this is even a discussion, are people honestly shitbrained enough to think the presidents family doesn't deserve a secret service detail, or that the issue of first family security is even remotely related to the school shooting/armed guards debate in the first place?
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People are fucking stupid, case in point.

We can all agree- whether we are anti-gun (myself) or hard-core gun (some of you), the entire idea that Obama is an elitist hypocrite for sending his kids to school with protection is simply asinine.

Why are we wasting time on this shit. If you somehow are stupid enough to believe that Obama is hypocritical for this, then well, get the fuck out, because I'm sure the rest of your ideas will be shite as well.
 
Aychamo BanBan

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Fyro_sl said:
People are fucking stupid, case in point.

We can all agree- whether we are anti-gun (myself) or hard-core gun (some of you), the entire idea that Obama is an elitist hypocrite for sending his kids to school with protection is simply asinine.

Why are we wasting time on this shit. If you someone are stupid enough to believe that Obama is hypocritical for this, then well, get the fuck out, because I'm sure the rest of your ideas will be shite as well.
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Yes. You are absolutely correct. Some people are stupid. You're one of them.
 
Rod-138

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I dunno man, I live in New Orleans, love it, but I may actually be justified in owning a few assault rifles. At least more than my little derringer pew pew
 
Aychamo BanBan

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Kreugen_sl said:
The President's plan for a mag limit is essentially "go on tv surrounded by children, cry a little, then ask Congress to please pass a law limiting the size of magazines" Banning assault rifles or requiring background checks for private sales also falls under this part of the plan.

If you don't understand why Obama isn't actually kicking down doors and taking citizen's guns away - as you perhaps may have heard on Facebook or twitter or from practically any republican anywhere - I'd be happy to explain why that can't actually happen here in Reality Land.
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I had never paid much attention to your posts on FOH, but damn, after reading them here, you're a fucking moron. Holy shit, I simply had no idea.
 
Gavinmad

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aychamo_aycono_sl said:
I had never paid much attention to your posts on FOH, but damn, after reading them here, you're a fucking moron. Holy shit, I simply had no idea.
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And yet you're in a three-way tie for the biggest shit poster on the forums with Mikhail and Fanaskin. Pretty great company you're keeping there son.
 
Sulrn

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Fyro_sl said:
People are fucking stupid, case in point.

We can all agree- whether we are anti-gun (myself) or hard-core gun (some of you), the entire idea that Obama is an elitist hypocrite for sending his kids to school with protection is simply asinine.

Why are we wasting time on this shit. If you someone are stupid enough to believe that Obama is hypocritical for this, then well, get the fuck out, because I'm sure the rest of your ideas will be shite as well.
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It's not mutually exclusive. Yes, his family does need protection. Yes, he is an elitist hypocrite (more so our legislators).
 
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