Gun control
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Zodiac
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I'm not sure how that correlates but I'm pretty slow - can you explain?
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Mikhail is a retarded troll, and even acknowledging him encourages him to keep trolling. In 57 pages he's failed to make a single legitimate point, or offer a single reasonable suggestion.
Borzak
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Because gunshows have nothing to do with it, I'm not sure where that BS started unless it was the Brady Bunch.
Gunshow "loophole" is just one citizen selling a firearm to another citizen, regardless of where they are located. If you buy a firearm from a FFL holder at a gunshow you still have to fill out a 4473 ATF form and go thru the same exact background check (they normally provide extra phone lines) that you would at any other gun shop located in the US.
They say "gunshow loophole" when they mean 2 guys anywhere in the US selling or giving as a gift or passing it down from one to another while not on gunshow property or in the parking lot etc...It being at a gunshow has nothing to do with it. Of course if you watch the news you walk in and can buy full auto weapons with no tax stamp/6 month wait, grenades (classified as destrutive devices by the ATF), SAM missles and whatever else. I always get a big laugh when some dumb ass reporter shows up at a gun show and picks up a launcher TUBE and says "And here people are buying missles to shoot down airplanes".
I guess people don't know the mechanics of it but here's how a gun purchase works at a FFL dealer for reference as well. You go in and pick out your gun. You fill out a 4473 form which includes stuff like name, address etc...and a list of questions like have you been convicted of a felony, instituionalized etc...The FFL then calls in the NICS background check to the FBI, unless you live in a semi free state and you can bypass that check all together because you already hold a concealed carry permit and they already did a background check, in which case you can walk in and fill out the 4473 and pay.
On the FBI end the background check info by law has to be destroyed within 24 hours. When Clinton left office it was found that they had not been destroying them and they were ordered destroyed. The FFL holder keeps the 4473 and logs the sale in his book with name, address, serial number, model etc...He keeps that book for life until he forfeits/doesn't renew his FFL and then it is sent to the ATF.
When they call in for a background check they can OK it or put it on hold. If they put it on hold there's a specified time that if the dealer doesn't hear back they can go ahead and sell you the firearm.
And just so everyone can be on the same page. To actually buy an assault rifle in the US (AR in AR-15 stands for armalite rifle not Assault Rifle) that is automatic/full automatic or select fire requires first finding one for sale (the 1986 Hughs amendment outlawed the production of any new automatic firearms for civilian use in the US), then applying for a $200 tax stamp with the ATF, getting a law enforcement agency to sign off on your application such as a sheriff, police chief, district attorney and waiting 6 months or more. Once you get your paperwork you can receive your firearm. If you travel across state lines with it you must notify the ATF in advance and tell them where you are going with it etc...you are looking at a cost of $7500-$10,000 and up very quickly. Some rare firearms you might have to pay $20,000 for a stripped receiver which is nothing more than stamped sheetmetal with an extra hole made it in prior to 1986 compared to a semi automatic one you could buy for $100.
If people want to restrict, ban or outlaw something they should at least get educated about the process, the items and the terminology. It's right up there with the internet being a series of tubes.
I still don't buy the presidents kids kidnapped in that scenario. We don't negotiate with terrorists. They wouldn't negotiate if they were my kids? Why would we negotiate with his? Some one in a proper channel should step in and over see the situation anyway as the president would be unfit to lead. Honestly more harm would be done to our countries future if we bent over back wards and said oh jeepers mr. terrorist / kidnapper. You sure do have some important kids! Take / have what ever you want! Honest!
Of course the last part is hyperbole, but it is kinda fucked up no one else has a right to have their kids protected at school.
Of course the last part is hyperbole, but it is kinda fucked up no one else has a right to have their kids protected at school.
Pot, meet kettle.
You have no desire for any sort of discussion. Any suggestion that was offered would be ridiculed because you have your views and anyone who disagrees with you in any small way is an idiot.
Just look a few posts above. You call someone stupid because they say that the kidnap of the president's children would compromise national security. That is not complicated. Any reasonable person can see why, and so can you. You choose to ignore it just because it does not fit in with your anti-Obama view.
What are you talking about? Numerous public schools have armed guards or cops. You're free to live in one of those school districts. And you're free to pay to send your kid to a private school with armed guards. And you're free to pay to have a security detail follow your kids around.
Now, you don't get the private school or the security detail at the taxpayer's expense, but you're not the President. You also don't get a plane, a helicopter, or an armored limo, among other things.
Because your kids are not a target in the same way that Obama's kids are. The chance of your kids being kidnapped is extremely small. There are a lot of people out there who would want to kill Obama's children just because he is president.
fanaskin
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Yep this is how leaders think, it doesn't take much imagination to conceive that some of them would go so far as to manufacture conflict to profit on politically.
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Sylverlokk
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West Wing Season 6 mid season cliff hanger, I believe, Watch it. Or hell watch the whole series.
So, judging from the reporting of it I've seen over here, "OBUMMERS GONNA GET YER GUNZ" turned out to beyet morepantswetting and crying wolf from the usual suspects then?
In both cases you have a requirement that a procedure be followed before a sale is made and (in the hypothetical) in both cases you're selling something untraceable. Enforcement is still feasible by having cops try to make these purchases without going through that procedure.
