Borzak
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Borzak
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It was just an offhand comment a few pages earlier in mention of banning ammunition etc... Goes right along with the idea of microstamping which seems to gain steam every few months where they propse each cartridge be micro stamped with a unique ID number or possible imprinted on the firing pin that is stamped upon firing into the primer.
It would be incredibly easy to bypass such a measure (replace firing pin), not to mention all that would be required to actually defeat it would be police your brass, use a brass catcher, or shoot a revolver or similar firearm.
Tmac
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You miss the point. If it was a 9 bullet limit, the gov would effectively remove the manufacture of half the assault riles out there. With a 7 bullet limit, they're increasing that to 95% efficiency.
They're circumventing the need to even ban guns by banning the clip that allows them to function.
They're doing the same thing here they did with Healthcare. They spent two years telling Americans the public option wasn't a tax, but when the Feds argued before the Supreme Court they changed their entire argument, saying that it was in fact a tax.
Agree or disagree with the proposal of the law itself. You have to admit this administration won't hesitate to lie and cheat to get their agenda confirmed.
Borzak
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Please quit calling them CLIPS. It ranks right up there with people who say the internet is a series of tubes or that a fax rolls up the paper really tight and sends it thru a tube. It's very hard to have a conversation with everyone using a different word for the same thing and when people use the term bullet when they actually mean cartridge.
Also this is a bullet, this is the projectile fired from a firearm.
This is not a bullet - this is a cartridge.
Don't be like this woman who claimed those were shot by Americans into her home and almost killed her and her children.
In the eyes of the federal government (ATF) This is what makes a firearm a firearm - the part with the serial number (IE receiver)
Yes I understand the point of the NY law. The original law that Cuomo pushed had a maximum of 5 rounds which would have banned almost all handguns and he wanted to confiscate all firearms that didn't meet the requirements. The copy of it was released yesterday.
Also this is a bullet, this is the projectile fired from a firearm.
This is not a bullet - this is a cartridge.
Don't be like this woman who claimed those were shot by Americans into her home and almost killed her and her children.
In the eyes of the federal government (ATF) This is what makes a firearm a firearm - the part with the serial number (IE receiver)
Yes I understand the point of the NY law. The original law that Cuomo pushed had a maximum of 5 rounds which would have banned almost all handguns and he wanted to confiscate all firearms that didn't meet the requirements. The copy of it was released yesterday.
Anyone want to know why NY came up with the 7 round limit? Khar, Kimber and Remington are based out of NY. Khar makes subcompacts, Kimber makes 1911's and Remington makes rifles, shotguns and 1911's. 1911's standard mag capacity is 7 rounds. neat huh...
It might take a while until all the criminals experience their justified homicide.
fanaskin
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A little perspective on how much trouble guns are for a society in general, I deduce that essentially every person who is for gun control at some point in time imagines themselves murdered by a gun, well there are other things that are more of a danger, It's a little disturbing that the propaganda machine is ramped up so high for something that causes less deaths than many other things we could easily legislate on without splitting the country apart.
It's fear playing on peoples imaginations that is being manipulated at the arguments core.
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Also, just wanted to point out the irony of people posting in the "Legalize it" thread vs the "Gun control" thread. As if marijuana being illegal has prevented any of them (or me) from purchasing pot illegally. With the criminalization of marijuana, the only hands that have abstained from its use are those who aren't willing to break the law...aka law-abiding-citizens. To assume gun laws will have a different effect is beyond foolish.
All guns should be banned.
Those of you who don't respect the lives of those poor children make me sick.
All gun owners need to turn them in or be arrested.
Those of you who don't respect the lives of those poor children make me sick.
All gun owners need to turn them in or be arrested.
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Caliane
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and to put that REALLY into perspective.
A little perspective on how much trouble guns are for a society in general, I deduce that essentially every person who is for gun control at some point in time imagines themselves murdered by a gun, well there are other things that are more of a danger, It's a little disturbing that the propaganda machine is ramped up so high for something that causes less deaths than many other things we could easily legislate on without splitting the country apart.
It's fear playing on peoples imaginations that is being manipulated at the arguments core.
49,400 deaths per year from secondhand smoke exposure
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Murders in DC have plummeted (on the order of -70%) since the gun ban was overturned in 2008.
fanaskin
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In other countries there is no need for each of the bourgeois parties to have an armed force under its direct command. But things are different in China, where, because of the feudal division of the country,those landlord or bourgeois groupings or parties which have guns have power, and those which have more guns have more power. Placed in such an environment, the party of the proletariat should see clearly to the heart of the matter.
Communists do not fight for personal military power (they must in no circumstances do that, and let no one ever again follow the example of Chang Kuo-tao), but they must fight for military power for the Party, for military power for the people. As a national war of resistance is going on, we must also fight for military power for the nation.Where there is naivety on the question of military power, nothing whatsoever can be achieved. It is very difficult for the labouring people, who have been deceived and intimidated by the reactionary ruling classes for thousands of years, to awaken to the importance of having guns in their own hands.Now that Japanese imperialist oppression and the nation-wide resistance to it have pushed our labouring people into the arena of war, Communists should prove themselves the most politically conscious leaders in this war. Every Communist must grasp the truth,"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun."Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party. Yet, having guns, we can create Party organizations, as witness the powerful Party organizations which the Eighth Route Army has created in northern China. We can also create cadres, create schools, create culture, create mass movements. Everything in Yenan has been created by having guns.All things grow out of the barrel of a gun.According to the Marxist theory of the state, the army is the chief component of state power. Whoever wants to seize and retain state power must have a strong army. Some people ridicule us as advocates of the "omnipotence of war". Yes, we are advocates of the omnipotence of revolutionary war; that is good, not bad, it is Marxist. The guns of the Russian Communist Party created socialism. We shall create a democratic republic.Experience in the class struggle in the era of imperialism teaches us that it is only by the power of the gun that the working class and the labouring masses can defeat the armed bourgeoisie and landlords; in this sense we may say that only with guns can the whole world be transformed. We are advocates of the abolition of war, we do not want war; but war can only be abolished through war, and in order to get rid of the gun it is necessary to take up the gun.
http://www.marxists.org/reference/ar...2/mswv2_12.htm
Not everything is directly 1 to 1 relate able but there is a clear link to groups rights and guns, the bourgeois who had the most guns had the most political power and thus the most control.
The labor class realized the power of the gun only after tyranny had been thrust on them by the Japanese. Mao clearly respected it's power and as a good communist seeked to centralize it for will of the state, but the message is clear.
He who has guns has political power. To take guns out of citizens hands is to seriously undermine their collective political power. This is the essence of the pro gun stance, The gun represents power and voting it away to father government is Naive, short sided and built apon fear of personal responsibility, that ultimatly only You are responsible for protecting yourself.
Communists do not fight for personal military power (they must in no circumstances do that, and let no one ever again follow the example of Chang Kuo-tao), but they must fight for military power for the Party, for military power for the people. As a national war of resistance is going on, we must also fight for military power for the nation.Where there is naivety on the question of military power, nothing whatsoever can be achieved. It is very difficult for the labouring people, who have been deceived and intimidated by the reactionary ruling classes for thousands of years, to awaken to the importance of having guns in their own hands.Now that Japanese imperialist oppression and the nation-wide resistance to it have pushed our labouring people into the arena of war, Communists should prove themselves the most politically conscious leaders in this war. Every Communist must grasp the truth,"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun."Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party. Yet, having guns, we can create Party organizations, as witness the powerful Party organizations which the Eighth Route Army has created in northern China. We can also create cadres, create schools, create culture, create mass movements. Everything in Yenan has been created by having guns.All things grow out of the barrel of a gun.According to the Marxist theory of the state, the army is the chief component of state power. Whoever wants to seize and retain state power must have a strong army. Some people ridicule us as advocates of the "omnipotence of war". Yes, we are advocates of the omnipotence of revolutionary war; that is good, not bad, it is Marxist. The guns of the Russian Communist Party created socialism. We shall create a democratic republic.Experience in the class struggle in the era of imperialism teaches us that it is only by the power of the gun that the working class and the labouring masses can defeat the armed bourgeoisie and landlords; in this sense we may say that only with guns can the whole world be transformed. We are advocates of the abolition of war, we do not want war; but war can only be abolished through war, and in order to get rid of the gun it is necessary to take up the gun.
http://www.marxists.org/reference/ar...2/mswv2_12.htm
Not everything is directly 1 to 1 relate able but there is a clear link to groups rights and guns, the bourgeois who had the most guns had the most political power and thus the most control.
The labor class realized the power of the gun only after tyranny had been thrust on them by the Japanese. Mao clearly respected it's power and as a good communist seeked to centralize it for will of the state, but the message is clear.
He who has guns has political power. To take guns out of citizens hands is to seriously undermine their collective political power. This is the essence of the pro gun stance, The gun represents power and voting it away to father government is Naive, short sided and built apon fear of personal responsibility, that ultimatly only You are responsible for protecting yourself.
Borzak
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Not yet I believe. They had 6 months to come up with a law that would allow conceal carry and that was several months ago. Last I heard the alderman or whatever they are in Chicago was going to fight it again even tho they have already paid out $400,000 on the last loss.
Then why does Ohio have more power in deciding who becomes the most powerful man in the world than Texas. Whole lot more guns in Texas, you know.
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