I make that argument because i presume that the law is constitutional. If the law is constitutional, then it is within that state's discretion to pass whatever laws they want. The only legal body that has the ability to determine the constitutionality of laws passed by a democratically elected legislature is the Judiciary, and the current case law suggests that AWBs/limitations on magazine sizes ARE constitutional. Additionally, if an AWB was unconstitutional, then the last Federal AWB would have been struck down. It was not.
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Borzak
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I'll have to search for it. Been reading about it for a while, kind of dropped off the radar a while back. He may have got out or had his appeal granted. The NRA-ILA was covering it.
Searching for New York airport gun arrest leads to multiple pages of celebrities and sports figures lol.
I'm fine on agreeing to disagree, just as long as you understand the reasoning for my conclusion: I have an interest in another state's actions if that state is infringing on the rights of my fellow citizens. But if that state is not infringing on any rights, and that state's laws have no jurisdiction over me, then I have no standing to complain.
Borzak
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Yeah I guess that is it, I thought he was still in. I got an update a while back on his lawsuit/appeal.
I'm not sure if he was tagged with a felony or not.
Borzak
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No standing in court, but you can complain all you want and vote with your money. That is what is about to happen to CO on the hunting front which is a pretty big money maker in CO.
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Sure, it is within that state's discretion to pass constitutional laws. Whoever said it wasn't? That doesn't mean we can't get upset about it or think it can lead to bad things. Lots of perfectly shitty laws get passed that are 100% constitutional and people complain about it in the politics thread all the time, EVEN WHEN THEY DON'T EFFECT THEM. I think a ban on homosexual marriage is fucked up, whether or not its constitutional, and it doesn't effect me in any way.
In the 18 years since the original AWB, the AR-15 and assorted "assault rifles" have become much more prevalent. So have higher capacity magazines. It is much more an infringement of liberties today than it was in 1994. Also, almost all of the current bills are harsher than the 1994 AWB.
Borzak
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I fly with firearms pretty often, going out west I have a pretty good chance to go thru the Denver airport. So I am going to complain.
I once had to make a stop in CA coming back from AK that wasn't planned. I was pretty nervous about that as well.
I once had to make a stop in CA coming back from AK that wasn't planned. I was pretty nervous about that as well.
Yea, but the problem is then you put yourself in the position of telling other people what they can and cannot do in their own house. I mean think about it. New York is the hotbed of liberals and Colorado is the site of the batman theatre shooting. If these stupid weapons bans make them feel better about guns in their midst, who are you, an outsider, to tell them that they are wrong ?
Tuco
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1. A state is not a house.
2. Telling someone their rules in their state or house are dumb is not equivalent to saying 'you can't do this'.
It's like the forum is playing whack-a-mole with your retarded arguments and they just keep popping up again.
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Sure, so talk all you want about how stupid these laws are. I'll be standing there nodding along with you. But when you start playing the slippery slope card, or assuming that what happens in someone else's state (since you hate the house analogy) will some how lead to the same happening in YOUR state, then that's where we disagree. You have more power in influencing what laws are passed in your state, via your voting power, than what a legislature in Colorado or New York has.
Goes back to the constitutionality argument. Slavery is unconstitutional. If these gun bans are unconstitutional, then I would make the argument that these states shouldn't be allowed to pass the gun bans with you. These laws have not been declared unconstitutional. The scotus has not spoken recently on the AWB, and they have not declared the previous AWB unconstitutional. Additionally, the most recent case law went up to the DC appellate court, and that court upheld DC's ban on AWBs. So without further evidence, I presume that an AWB is constitutional.
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Tuco
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I think what we'll see is that good Americans will exude such anger about these shit laws that other states will become less likely to pass similar ones.
In places where gun-rights is a big deal, probably. In places where the liberals dominate, probably not. In New York, for example, the AWB has overwhelming support. The law may be stupid, but it was passed because the legislature was simply carrying out the will of New Yorkers.
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So yea, unless the laws are unconstitutional, it's none of our business.
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I'm sorry but this is just the weakest and worst argument I've ever seen. You're trying so hard to have something to be combative about, but you're just failing. Really? You're argument is if it doesn't directly affect me now, then I should shut up. Lol. Come on man. Get real. Quit being purposefully retarded.
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I'm glad that the laws have the will of the people behind them. Hopefully those bans save lives, but if tragedy occurs I wonder what will happen to popular opinion if a mass shooting occurs with a banned weapon.