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Goatface

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sure it is different in cities and other places. what i remember from the guys i know that did it. interview, pay ($2000) to take a class something like 10-14 days, if you pass and then work 6+ months get reimbursed.
 

Zombie Thorne_sl

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If you shoot a box (50rnds) of ammo a month you are getting roughly 10x more trigger time than most officers.

We have a few officers in our local competitions, and from what they say your average patrolman is EXTREMELY unprepared for any type of armed conflict.

Our local PD's require qualifaction twice a year, each qualification is a 50 round course. 25 rounds slow fire @ 15 yards, 25 rounds rapid fire (1 shot a second) @ 7 yards with various conditions set on shot placement. 70% is passing.

I did a few IDPA training courses over the summer with some of the local rural agencies around here, thier general lack of firearms training is sadface making.
 

Gavinmad

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Meh. I mean ideally I'd want the training standard with firearms set higher, but that money has to come from somewhere and then we're back to square one because nobody wants to pay for it.
 

Zombie Thorne_sl

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Yeah, shooting is expensive. Even reloading my own ammo I go through $500 a month on a good month.

Most self defense type ammo is roughly a buck a round.
 

Goatface

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1 cop i know, his dept gets a lot of money from traffic cams and nascar, they have indoor range and get 50 rounds a week to shoot if they want. said he normally shoot 200-300 every 2 weeks as several others don't want to come in on their day off to shoot.
on the other hand, my local dept has 12 officers, they have a bulldozed road with a dirt mound for practice and get nothing free, but last thing i remember them shooting was a snake a couple of years ago.

heard this silliness on the news
NBC's Display of a 30-Shot Gun Magazine Prompts a Police Inquiry
 

Zombie Thorne_sl

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1 cop i know, his dept gets a lot of money from traffic cams and nascar, they have indoor range and get 50 rounds a week to shoot if they want. said he normally shoot 200-300 every 2 weeks as several others don't want to come in on their day off to shoot.
on the other hand, my local dept has 12 officers, they have a bulldozed road with a dirt mound for practice and get nothing free, but last thing i remember them shooting was a snake a couple of years ago.

heard this silliness on the news
NBC's Display of a 30-Shot Gun Magazine Prompts a Police Inquiry
Heard about this today as well, go go tax dollars.

I have no problems with a NHC or more social programs in general, I just have a problem with how the cash is spent.
 

Fadaar

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http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/publ...ssault-weapons

This is insane and I hope nothing comes of it.

1 cop i know, his dept gets a lot of money from traffic cams and nascar, they have indoor range and get 50 rounds a week to shoot if they want. said he normally shoot 200-300 every 2 weeks as several others don't want to come in on their day off to shoot.
on the other hand, my local dept has 12 officers, they have a bulldozed road with a dirt mound for practice and get nothing free, but last thing i remember them shooting was a snake a couple of years ago.

heard this silliness on the news
NBC?s Display of a 30-Shot Gun Magazine Prompts a Police Inquiry
They can prove nothing. Many places sell normal looking AR mags that are permanently blocked to only hold 10 rounds. Who's to say it isn't one of those? Externally they look identical.
 

B_Mizzle

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Yes, no way in hell a police officer gets remotely close to 20k in firearms training. Hell its probably closer to 1k when you throw in their salary while conducting any training(cops have very, very little firearms training besides the basics of their duty pistol, they know almost nothing about guns in general).
$1000? Have you lost your mind? It probably costs an academy $1000 a day just to keep the range open and heated. Add in ammo costs, range supervisors, weapons, weapon maintenance, disposal....

In any event, very interesting read about aspartme. I always thought it was the worst of the artificial sweeteners.
 

Loser Araysar

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$1000? Have you lost your mind? It probably costs an academy $1000 a day just to keep the range open and heated. Add in ammo costs, range supervisors, weapons, weapon maintenance, disposal....

In any event, very interesting read about aspartme. I always thought it was the worst of the artificial sweeteners.
Even a city as big as Chicago doesnt have its own range, its just not cost effective. These numbers being thrown around are pure fantasy. The percentage of time that a typical CPD recruit spends on gun training at the academy is easily less than 5%.
 

Goatface

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chicago has a nice looking range in their training and education center and would had a very nice outdoor range if the eagles had not shown up.
 

Ignatius

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I believe Dallas PD just uses local ranges. I know the one I used to go to (Elm Fork) has a "tactical bay" that is kind've fenced off that cops use when they need it. When they aren't there its open to the general public.
 

Big Phoenix

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$1000? Have you lost your mind? It probably costs an academy $1000 a day just to keep the range open and heated. Add in ammo costs, range supervisors, weapons, weapon maintenance, disposal....

In any event, very interesting read about aspartme. I always thought it was the worst of the artificial sweeteners.
Do you have one? Because that makes no sense.
 
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Yeah, that excuse was mentioned in the articles and it seems like bullshit. If that was the case, you could discriminate everywhere based on IQ because 99% of the jobs out there get boring for the bright ones quickly enough.

If I was recruiting thousands of people and giving them guns, I'd want to make sure that most of them weren't too smart either.
A clear example of systemic government insidiousness. This small P.D. has ~100 or so sworn officers. I think we can find far more disturbing hiring practices and at a much larger scale than this isolated incident. This story just makes for a catchy headline that mouth-breathers can pass on to one another and pat themselves on the back while they rage at Teh Man.
 

General Antony

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http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/27/us/uta...html?hpt=hp_c2

About 200 Utah educators spent part of their holiday vacation in class themselves -- learning how to handle a gun.

The idea of a Utah teacher having a loaded weapon in class isn't new, nor is it illegal. Still, Thursday's training session near Salt Lake City has received attention in the wake of this month's massacre at a Connecticut elementary school, as well as the call one week later by National Rifle Association CEO Wayne LaPierre to facilitate the arming of more educators.

Mostly Democratic politicians, teacher's groups and mayors -- including New York's Michael Bloomberg, Boston's Thomas Menino and Philadelphia's Michael Nutter -- have blasted this proposal. For them, the focus policywise should be ensuring there aren't firearms in schools, not bringing more of them in.
Lovin it
 

Aychamo BanBan

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Just out of curiosity, has anyone seen anyone fail a CCW class for being a bad shot? we had to shoot at ours, and I was the worst shot probably, but still shot fine. So I can't speak from experience.
 

Fadaar

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Considering the max you have to shoot from is like 15 or 20 feet I'd really hope you don't fail. At least that's how it was at my class.
 

Zombie Thorne_sl

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I would like to see CCW live fire requirements beefed up some. Require something like an IDPA or USPSA classifier that calls for a few reloads and transitions.

The cost would have to go up, but I think it would be worth it.
 

Leadsalad

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Well, reloads in that you don't sweep yourself, or people to the side of you. And instead of transitions, how about threat assessment instead. Blind room you enter and decide if there's a threat and when you take the shot, it tests your ability to properly be aware of your target's foreground and background.
 

Fadaar

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The CCW class I did we sort of did stuff like that. Put up two targets and had to shoot whichever one the instructor called fast as you can, including double taps.
 

Ignatius

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Nothing wrong with beefing the CCW up a bit. I joked during my initial test that I felt like the test was designed so you COULDNT fail it.

The guy who teaches at the range I go to now is kind've a nazi about it.He'll get in peoples faces if they're awful.