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Deathwing · Apr 12, 2016

Borzak_sl said:
Not even playing ranked games just casual most of the time. I got to 18 just to make sure I got the stuff each time. Maybe it's the time I play very late or very early in the morning. I got my 3 win bonus last night with all 3 conceding before the 1st round. Are people looking to play against only certain heroes or something?

Also is there any reason I can't disenchant golden cards that I already have 2 non golden cards of and spend that dust on making a new card? I've got a few goldens that I already have two regulars of out of reward packs.

My bet is that you're running into bots down ranking their way to easier wins.

But, if I'm playing casual for dailies(don't want to mess up my laddering progress since I only do that on weekends), I instant concede if I'm matched against a priest. Just not worth the time. Might concede once I figure out I'm playing freeze mage or control warrior too.

Ravishing · Apr 12, 2016

mures_sl said:
Yes, but considering all are 6 card combos and one deals 30 damage it kinda renders all the other combos irrelevant doesn't it? 30 damage in one turn from an empty board literally means just put in every single "draw card" card in the game into your deck.

I don't understand what you're trying to argue. Are we building a deck or talking about the viability of the deck? After some quick calculations I already concluded OTK priest is most likely still bad. Are you trying to argue otherwise? I'm confused.

Famm · Apr 13, 2016

Borzak_sl said:
Not even playing ranked games just casual most of the time. I got to 18 just to make sure I got the stuff each time. Maybe it's the time I play very late or very early in the morning. I got my 3 win bonus last night with all 3 conceding before the 1st round. Are people looking to play against only certain heroes or something?

Also is there any reason I can't disenchant golden cards that I already have 2 non golden cards of and spend that dust on making a new card? I've got a few goldens that I already have two regulars of out of reward packs.

Are you going into the collection page and right clicking the card to DE it? It won't automatically do that through the mass DE button, I don't think.

Mures · Apr 13, 2016

Fawe_sl said:
I don't understand what you're trying to argue. Are we building a deck or talking about the viability of the deck? After some quick calculations I already concluded OTK priest is most likely still bad. Are you trying to argue otherwise? I'm confused.

I'm not arguing anything, just saying your combos are bad.

As far as viability goes, I'm still a bit skeptical myself, but like I said 30 damage in one turn with no board you can literally put in every card draw in, I don't think we are losing any are we?, and we're gaining at least one neutral one. Might not be common enough to be op, but may be common enough it gets nerfed someday because no one likes losing to otk.

Ravishing · Apr 13, 2016

mures_sl said:
I'm not arguing anything, just saying your combos are bad.

Using Emperor is a crutch, you don't want to rely on him. You want the combo to have enough punch naturally. Emperor helps reduce the amount of cards necessary or allows you to overkill in the case of Warrior or heals/Reno.

My point is, this new card only gives 5 extra damage (the 2 mana you save on Auchenai is used for Mind Blast). Clearly it's not enough to make OTK priest a thing.

Gavinmad · Apr 13, 2016

Can't believe we're seriously discussing combo priest, but since I've played quite a bit of it I guess I'll chime in. For starters, Emperor is not a crutch, what the fuck are you smoking? Renolock runs a combo that doesn't even work without one of the combo pieces being discounted. A lot of my freeze mage wins were only possible because I was able to cram extra damage into a single turn because of the discount. It's not a crutch, it's a core piece of combo decks.

The real problem is that priest just isn't suited for combo. The class is generally built around winning wars of attrition, so the only way to get to your combo pieces is to fill your deck with garbage cycle creatures. The biggest problem with that is that it immediately tips off your opponent what your deck is, and when people play around your burst it becomes much harder to win. Another problem is that since you're playing a bunch of garbage cycle creatures, you will never be in control of the board, which means you're entirely reliant on mass removal to stay alive and lightbomb is rotating out. Since you'll never have the board, you also can't get free chips out of your opponent's life total, so you'll either have to do all your damage with spells or also run Alex.

Warlock, on the other hand, can just run a completely normal deck and rely on their hero power to draw into their combo pieces.

Ravishing · Apr 13, 2016

Twilight Sparkle_sl said:
A lot of my freeze mage wins were only possible because I was able to cram extra damage into a single turn because of the discount. It's not a crutch, it's a core piece of combo decks.

Definition of "crutch" ? It props you up when you're down, but you don't want to use it if you don't need to.

Freeze mage doesn't need Emperor to win most games, but yes, Emp is there to help squeeze out wins that would otherwise be daunting.

Renolocks don't all play the combo due to it being inconsistent. I have it in my deck, but don't rely on it at all. Reno has enough tempo to win off board in most cases, combo is for those edge cases.

Druid doesn't require emperor for combo, but sometimes it's needed for the mega combo.

Please... it IS a crutch, you don't want your deck to rely on Emperor to win games, all these decks can win without.

At least we agree that OTK priest will be shit.

chthonic-anemos · Apr 13, 2016

Just had a Majordomo into Deathwing fatigue win.

Gavinmad · Apr 13, 2016

Fawe_sl said:
Definition of "crutch" ? It props you up when you're down, but you don't want to use it if you don't need to.

Freeze mage doesn't need Emperor to win most games, but yes, Emp is there to help squeeze out wins that would otherwise be daunting.

Renolocks don't all play the combo due to it being inconsistent. I have it in my deck, but don't rely on it at all. Reno has enough tempo to win off board in most cases, combo is for those edge cases.

Druid doesn't require emperor for combo, but sometimes it's needed for the mega combo.

Please... it IS a crutch, you don't want your deck to rely on Emperor to win games, all these decks can win without.

At least we agree that OTK priest will be shit.

Mures · Apr 13, 2016

Twilight Sparkle_sl said:
Can't believe we're seriously discussing combo priest, but since I've played quite a bit of it I guess I'll chime in. For starters, Emperor is not a crutch, what the fuck are you smoking? Renolock runs a combo that doesn't even work without one of the combo pieces being discounted. A lot of my freeze mage wins were only possible because I was able to cram extra damage into a single turn because of the discount. It's not a crutch, it's a core piece of combo decks.

The real problem is that priest just isn't suited for combo. The class is generally built around winning wars of attrition, so the only way to get to your combo pieces is to fill your deck with garbage cycle creatures. The biggest problem with that is that it immediately tips off your opponent what your deck is, and when people play around your burst it becomes much harder to win. Another problem is that since you're playing a bunch of garbage cycle creatures, you will never be in control of the board, which means you're entirely reliant on mass removal to stay alive and lightbomb is rotating out. Since you'll never have the board, you also can't get free chips out of your opponent's life total, so you'll either have to do all your damage with spells or also run Alex.

Warlock, on the other hand, can just run a completely normal deck and rely on their hero power to draw into their combo pieces.

Only two classes can play around 30 damage from an empty board, but agree the biggest problem with combo priest is the class design itself.

Also agree, ET a crutch? Freeze mage is pretty popular and you're relying on playing alex before your combo. Its not that big of a deal playing a "one of" card when your deck revolves around card draw.

The Ancient_sl · Apr 13, 2016

Garbage cycle creatures? Loot hoarder, azure Drake, northshire cleric, acolyte of pain, thalnos. Yeah these cards all suck and rarely see play. Even gnomish inventor is well suited to priest.

Gavinmad · Apr 13, 2016

The Ancient_sl said:
Garbage cycle creatures? Loot hoarder, azure Drake, northshire cleric, acolyte of pain, thalnos. Yeah these cards all suck and rarely see play. Even gnomish inventor is well suited to priest.

Let me know when you actually have experience playing combo priest. In the meantime...

Mures · Apr 13, 2016

To be fair, NSC is unreliable, acolyte of pain and gnomish inventor are less appealing with velen's gone.

Borzak · Apr 13, 2016

Famm_sl said:
Are you going into the collection page and right clicking the card to DE it? It won't automatically do that through the mass DE button, I don't think.

No, but you can go to it and disenchant it. Just didn't know if people normally do that or what. I have 3 knife jugglars with one gold and two other cards like that. Bad idea or just dust them if you don't care about collecting cards for getting gold ones?

I guess I worded it badly "any reason I can't disenchant". I didn't mean phsycially not able. Just not any reason not to?

Ishad · Apr 13, 2016

Playing a combo priest will be like playing a worgen otk/ patron warrior. Except you'll have no weapons for clears and no other threats other than your combo, and less draw potential. And look how good worgen otk decks are.

Famm · Apr 13, 2016

Borzak_sl said:
No, but you can go to it and disenchant it. Just didn't know if people normally do that or what. I have 3 knife jugglars with one gold and two other cards like that. Bad idea or just dust them if you don't care about collecting cards for getting gold ones?

I guess I worded it badly "any reason I can't disenchant". I didn't mean phsycially not able. Just not any reason not to?

Oh lol, don't dust Juggler yet, if it gets nerfed it will be worth full refund to dust after standard hits, and a lot of people expect a nerf. This goes for all of classic really, though only a limited number of them will actually get nerfed, but you might be safer waiting until we know which ones they are.

Mures · Apr 13, 2016

Borzak_sl said:
No, but you can go to it and disenchant it. Just didn't know if people normally do that or what. I have 3 knife jugglars with one gold and two other cards like that. Bad idea or just dust them if you don't care about collecting cards for getting gold ones?

I guess I worded it badly "any reason I can't enchant". I didn't mean phsycially not eble. Just not any not to?

De'ing regulars you have golds of or de'ing gold cards? The first, go for it man, no reason not to other than being a completionist/not wanting to click through "new" cards when you open a pack. The second one, up to you really, I de'd a lot of gold cards when I was first starting, I kinda regretted it later, but there is no denying the boost it gave my collection at the time either.

Borzak · Apr 13, 2016

Famm_sl said:
Oh lol, don't dust Juggler yet, if it gets nerfed it will be worth full refund to dust after standard hits, and a lot of people expect a nerf. This goes for all of classic really, though only a limited number of them will actually get nerfed, but you might be safer waiting until we know which ones they are.

Thanks, didn't think of that. After the expansion I'll probably just disenchant the gold ones I don't need to make new ones.

The Ancient_sl · Apr 13, 2016

Ishad_sl said:
Playing a combo priest will be like playing a worgen otk/ patron warrior. Except you'll have no weapons for clears and no other threats other than your combo, and less draw potential. And look how good worgen otk decks are.

Even without weapons, priest removal and clear is far superior to warrior so that's not a strong point. The lack of other threats is true. Maybe ysera slots back in.

Taho · Apr 13, 2016

Borzak_sl said:
No, but you can go to it and disenchant it. Just didn't know if people normally do that or what. I have 3 knife jugglars with one gold and two other cards like that. Bad idea or just dust them if you don't care about collecting cards for getting gold ones?

I guess I worded it badly "any reason I can't disenchant". I didn't mean phsycially not able. Just not any reason not to?

When I started out, I DE'd many golds that I didn't need or had 2 regular copies of. That extra dust helped get cards that I otherwise could not craft. I don't regret it at all.

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