Hearthstone

You might not want to attack before Yogg, there are plenty of buffs he can cast to increase damage. It depends on the game state.

Just started a new Druid arena draft. Had 2 Wild Growth's, 2 Mire Keeper's, and 2 Nourish's within 10 cards. Proceeded to not get a single 6+ drop for the next 20 cards except for a Recycle. Lol. First game I have 7 mana on their turn 3 with their 3 mana. Now I just lose playing my low drops with all my excess mana lol. Also have 2 Swipes and 2 Wraths. Arena is a cruel joke sometimes haha.

valishar_sl said:

You might not want to attack before Yogg, there are plenty of buffs he can cast to increase damage. It depends on the game state.

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He had two favorable trades before the Yogg, I would have still had lethal based on what was in my hand but he didn't know that.

Only good to come out of this expansion is watching tournament players just rage constantly, and there is nothing they can do about it.

I even saw a dude cry over the weekend.

what the fuck are you talking about? Pretty much every time I lose to Zoo it's because they did 10/14/9999 damage from hand right as I took control of the board. Same with shaman. This is the worst the game has ever been as far as 'dealing large amount of burst from hand' goes.

Twilight Sparkle_sl said:

what the fuck are you talking about? Pretty much every time I lose to Zoo it's because they did 10/14/9999 damage from hand right as I took control of the board. Same with shaman. This is the worst the game has ever been as far as 'dealing large amount of burst from hand' goes.

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I think you're crazy...They removed most of the instant kill mechanics, or reduced them. Just because you get killed by leeroy and unstable from one deck (that has basically remained unchanged since the start of the game), doesn't make it a toxic Meta. If someone defines toxic as loss of control and helpless solo-play...then the Meta is just so much better. I would agree that many of the tools that mitigated aggro have been stripped away...but that is a cycle. Aggro is always easy and stable to play...And I don;t expect that to change, ever. The thing that still frustrates me about hearthstone is the lack of dynamic play...Actions only be accessible on your turn is ultimately limiting and reduces the ability of strong players to dominate. Hearthstone is a grinder game...If that bothers you, perhaps you should try another game?

Brand_sl said:

I think you're crazy...They removed most of the instant kill mechanics, or reduced them. Just because you get killed by leeroy and unstable from one deck (that has basically remained unchanged since the start of the game), doesn't make it a toxic Meta. If someone defines toxic as loss of control and helpless solo-play...then the Meta is just so much better. I would agree that many of the tools that mitigated aggro have been stripped away...but that is a cycle. Aggro is always easy and stable to play...And I don;t expect that to change, ever. The thing that still frustrates me about hearthstone is the lack of dynamic play...Actions only be accessible on your turn is ultimately limiting and reduces the ability of strong players to dominate. Hearthstone is a grinder game...If that bothers you, perhaps you should try another game?

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What are you talking about? Zoo hasn't ever run Leeroy before now, and hasn't run soulfire since the mana cost was raised to 1. The meta is the worst it has ever been as far as burst damage from hand goes because your average hearthstone player wasn't good enough to pilot miracle rogue and would rather play secret paladin than patron warrior, despite patron being the clearly superior deck. Any idiot can play doomhammer or power overwhelming.

Deathwing_sl said:

Leeroy + PO + PO/Soulfire? Forcing zoo to use their POs so they can stay on the board is how you prevent that. Also, not a new combo. I agree, it IS a shitty combo to lose to, just as bullshit as the old druid combo was. Not as easy to pull off since you only have one Leeroy, but yeah, it ain't great to lose to it.

Shamans lost crackle and gained...primal infusion, I guess? I don't see how their burn capability improved.

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Shamans gained more from healbot rotating out than they lost from crackle rotating out.

No, I just don't post every single time I get blown out by triple power overwhelming. It happens quite a lot. Maybe Zoo wouldn't be so goddamn obnoxious if they didn't have dark peddler fairly consistently giving them an extra po/soulfire every game.

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So if you lose control of Yogg mid-combo (like killing Sylvanas) the rest of hte spells are cast as if it was your opponent's yogg. So my renolock opponent got control of my yogg just in time for it to cast renounce darkness, which fucked his reno activation. I was laughing so hard I missed lethal and ended up losing anyway but god damn he had to be salty.

Decks being able to do 16 from hand is a lot better than the previous situation where 16 from hand was the standard combo, but if you gave them enough time they could upscale it to 30 from hand.

Speaking of yogg salt, playing against a control warrior with c'thun druid. I am way ahead and he casts a desperate yogg. It gives me 2 curse of rafams and makes me over draw my c'thun. I still won but fuck yogg.

Personally I think this is one of the worst metas in the game's history. Every other match is against a Shaman and it's not uncommon to go 4 or 5 matches in a row against them. The class is just too good now and the excuse that "Shaman sucked before so they're allowed to be OP now" is bullshit thinking. It might not be possible but the goal should be all classes, relatively, balanced. That won't ever happen but when you have a class like Shaman that is head and shoulders better than anything else than it should be addressed.

The biggest problem is Blizzard themselves. They are so reluctant to step in and admit mistakes that the environment just becomes "unfun." They also have a vision of this game that I don't always agree with. I've accepted it to an extent but I don't like it.

With that said I think there are about 4 cards from Whispers that are straight up mistakes. Flamewreathed Faceless, Darkshire Councilman, Call of the Wild and, to a lesser extent, Thing Below.

Final thing, if you want stupid burst go Freeze Mage. Most classes don't see it but they can do over 30 points of damage with a bit of setup. I've played priest against them and it's a bad match. They stop your board from doing anything for turn after turn, cycle a crapload of cards, get Emperor down for a discount and then blow you up from hand. All while impossible to kill behind Ice Block. It might be balanced because of how other decks can counter it but it's simply not fun to die from 30 health in one turn against an empty board.

I suck at construction. Tried to do ranking and noticed that once I hit 21 with 2 stars, every player I took on had these wonderfully powerful level 21 and 20 decks. Nobody does ranking without a full set of great cards it seems at 21 and lower. I guess I need to spend some cash and net deck just to get rank 20. It was odd, because I was taking on average decks right up to 21 and two stars.

Does anybody have a hunter list that can beat shaman or warlock? I have a hunter daily and I can't get a win to save my life.