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Tier 3 4/5 Naga Avenge 3, add a random spellcraft spell to your hand of your tier or lower
Tier 4 3/3 Battlecry: Discover a minion of a minion type you don’t control.
Tier 5 5/7 Naga After you cast a Spellcraft spell on a minion, give it +2/+2
Tier 6 5/9 Spellcraft: Discover a Naga
 
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Spore and Seafood Slinger getting removed

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Even though naga seem like suck, I am going to love playing them with pirates since Peggy is my favorite card.
 

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I think Quillboar Menagerie is going to be pretty interesting. Late game Naga's might be interesting, and some of them are pretty strong early. I'm really having a hard time evaluating them, but I think a lot of them are garbage. The whole tribe feels kind of like a bunch of tech cards.

I think people are wildly overestimating Leeroy
 
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I feel like games with naga are going to turn into pure tempo shitstorms. We shall see.
 

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Interesting post


The following is being posted on behalf of John McIntyre, Hearthstone Battlegrounds Lead Designer:

Hello tavern-goers, as we wrap up the current Battlegrounds Buddies patch and prepare for the upcoming Rise of the Naga Battlegrounds Season, I want to share some data from this past patch and explain some of our design philosophies when it comes to designing and balancing heroes.

First, let’s look at the overall active* player mmr distribution right now:

  • The top 50% of players have reached 5700 mmr
  • The top 25% of players have reached 6500 mmr
  • The top 10% of players have reached 7000 mmr
  • Congratulations to the top 1% of players who have reached 8300 mmr
I also want to share the top* 10 performing heroes for all players since the last balance patch (in alphabetical order):

  • Cariel Roame
  • Chenvaala
  • Fungalmancer Flurgl
  • George the Fallen
  • Ini Stormcoil
  • Lord Jaraxxus
  • Millificent Manastorm
  • Patches the Pirate
  • Tavish Stormpike
  • Ysera
Now, let’s compare that list to the top 10 heroes for our top 1% of players during the same period (again, in alphabetical order):

  • Aranna Starseeker
  • Fungalmancer Flurgl
  • George the Fallen
  • King Mukla
  • Maiev Shadowsong
  • Sir Finley Mrrgglton
  • Mutanus the Devourer
  • Trade Prince Gallywix
  • Vol’jin
  • Zephrys, the Great
One of the reasons I am sharing this information is to show that there isn’t a universal hero ranking that applies to all players. Heroes perform differently depending on player skill and engagement with the mode. A lot of players find success with minion-type focused heroes because they provide a clear direction, but those same heroes don’t perform as well for our most competitive players. Even two players of the same skill level will find success with different heroes because they push different playstyles. The takeaway here is that players shouldn’t feel obligated to pick only the heroes that work best for the top 1% of players but should instead experiment with different heroes to see what performs best for their skill bracket, level of engagement with the game, and play style.

One of the goals with hero balance is to keep hero diversity high by making sure that heroes are kept in an appropriate band of power. We look at all skill levels when trying to identify which heroes need a nerf or a buff. That’s why we sometimes adjust a hero that is over- or underperforming for newer players, even if those same issues aren’t seen by our most competitive players.

With this in mind, what happens if a hero is too weak for one group of players but can’t be buffed because then it’d be too strong for other players? This was a design challenge we faced with Shudderwock after the launch of Buddies. Shudderwock repeats all the Battlecries you’ve triggered this game. Most players’ strategy with this hero is to buy lots of Battlecry minions and then use their hero power as late as possible to copy a bunch of Battlecry effects. However, top players use a different strategy. They mostly buy Battlecry minions that summon other minions, then they repeat those effects with the hero power for triple rewards. That strategy is harder to execute, but more powerful. Shudderwock needed a buff for the majority of players, but we didn’t want our changes to have a large impact on top players. Our design change was for the Buddy to give +2/+2 to the Battlecry minions it adds to the shop. This helped keep players alive when they were buying many different types of Battlecry minions, but didn’t have as large of an impact for the players looking to buy the one or two specific Battlecry minions.

I hope that example helps show how, even though not all individual balance changes are for every player, we do balance for every player. As a final note, nerfs are a higher priority than buffs because a hero being too strong warps games more than a hero being too weak.

With Rise of the Naga we expect a big meta shake-up and we’re excited to see what you all make of it! As this new meta develops, we’ll be applying the same balance philosophy when it comes to assessing player feedback and looking at data.

I hope this was informative and I’ll see you in the Tavern,

John McIntyre

Hearthstone Battlegrounds Lead Designer

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Active*: Played at least 5 games in the last 20 days. It is late into the season so mmr is at its highest right now. Since we’re only looking at the last 20 days, this excludes players that play the new content and stop playing after a few weeks, which means this population is more engaged in BGs.

Top*: Simply put, the highest average placements since the most recent balance update.
 
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Sweet. I am a 1%er

Also they have no idea how to play shudderwock. Not a surprise.
 
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So the only overlap on best performing heroes between overall and top 1% is Flurgl and George. And he felt the need to talk about Shudderwork when Shudderwock wasn't in the top 10 for either bracket.

I'm a little surprised Zephrys isn't in the overall top 10 though, do you really have to be a 1%er to realize how good he is?
 

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From my experience, when Zephrys games are bad, they are really bad and rarely salvagable. Missing on that first triple often ends up with really low health and then you cant do shit from there. But i bet it missed top 10 by a cunts hair. Its definitely in the top 15.
 

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I'm honestly surprised that 1% mmr starts that low. Figured it would be solidly 10k+. Guess the game isn't as crowded at the top as I thought and people are generally worse than I originally gave them credit for.
 

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Initial reactions are Naga's are decent. The ones that scale are really good, but the synergies are weird. There are a lot that work off casting of spell, but it's hard to generate spells when those are taking up board spaces. IDK. They do scale really well though, and all the divine shield's they can get are pretty good at dealing with poison murlocs.

Also I still feel like people are going to miss buddies pretty fast. It's hard to deal with people who high roll early. Buddies generally gave a power spike that could enable some parity, and without that it's hard to catch up to someone who gets far ahead early. Especially with Naga's being able to scale enough, and get divine shields, that enable dealing with Murlocs.
 
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Played one game and based on that, Naga is stronger than I thought they would be and Leroy is fucking amazing.
 

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When you miss on discovers in this patch it feels insanely game losing. If you don't hit on 5/6 drops, fucking forget it.
 
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Shit like this is pretty amusing. Turn 8 I had 2 Siren, the 6 drop, and 3 spellcraft minions on board. It got out of hand pretty fast after that

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