Gavinmad
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So it will be just like every other CCG there is? Cause you can't go around winning tournaments with a pauper deck in Magic like you can in Hearthstone.
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Amzin
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I believe the point was people bitch about something no matter what the status of the game is. Before Hunter became popular everyone complained how much dust/packs/money you had to spend to be competitive. Now they're bitching the only counter to the easy-access deck is expensive again.
All this is clearly not true, of course, what with the legendary people using neither of those decks. And Trump doing another free-to-play legendary run, on Shaman this time.
All this is clearly not true, of course, what with the legendary people using neither of those decks. And Trump doing another free-to-play legendary run, on Shaman this time.
Gavinmad
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Trump *suffered* on his f2p mage run during that final grind to legendary. It was awful. Shaman is a cheaper deck to be competitive with, and he's playing it on EU which seems to have a much smaller hunter following. I can't imagine trying to do a f2p shaman on NA servers right now.
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Also, people in legendary just play whatever the fuck since you can't derank. That's the main reason I want to hit legendary, so I can test random shit against other legendary people without deranking, instead of testing against the nonsense you see in casual.
Arbitrary
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First of all the ranked ladder is not a tournament.
Second you are lecturing the wrong motherfucker about what a cheap bastard can and cannot do in Magic. At the level of a local FNM, even one at a store full of sharks, a clever individual absolutely can play and win with budget decks. I've done it. Amzin's done it. Ronne's done it. Repeatedly. You aren't giving yourself the best chance at winning but I'm not claiming that I want the cheap deck to be the best deck. In a game set up like Hearthstone is with a free to play model that encourages daily play people need to have fun playing as they go. As soon as this game is no longer enjoyable at this in between time I'm out.
I hate the nonsense you see in casual. Every other opponent is somebody running the gimmicky divine spirit, inner fire deck that they know can't win shit in ranked.
Gavinmad
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Right and I dominated a legacy tournament with monowhite stax. DCI rating is more or less the equivalent of a ranked ladder, and aside from just slowly grinding it up with small FNMs, you'll never get a good rating playing pauper decks for whatever format.
I honestly don't even know what your point is, I don't think we're really disagreeing on anything.
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Whoa there buckaroo bonzai, do you think you get to completely move the goalposts? You said you can't go around winning tournaments with pauper decks in MtG like you can in Hearthstone.
Hearthstone is a game for casuals. The experience for almost every single player doesn't go beyond the Arena, Casual, and Ranked. Nothing is on the line. It's really three flavors of casual. FNM is actually a way, way bigger deal. You've got to drive somewhere and put your money on the line in a competitive environment against people who sit right across the table and look at you in the eye. In that setting you can still have reasonable amounts of success without breaking the bank. Your comparison of the ranked ladder to the MtG's competitive ranking system is flat out absurd.
Hearthstone is a game for casuals. The experience for almost every single player doesn't go beyond the Arena, Casual, and Ranked. Nothing is on the line. It's really three flavors of casual. FNM is actually a way, way bigger deal. You've got to drive somewhere and put your money on the line in a competitive environment against people who sit right across the table and look at you in the eye. In that setting you can still have reasonable amounts of success without breaking the bank. Your comparison of the ranked ladder to the MtG's competitive ranking system is flat out absurd.
How are Paladins? Im using a build that relies on might, kings, and shields to build high dmg/hp pieces that I use to break apart the defense. I also have Ysera(sp?). Seems to be working well in my noobiness - I'd say Priests are the class giving me the most trouble with their minion removing and capturing abilities. Mages with tons of secrets are real tough too.
Gavinmad
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At the high end, Paladins are right on the cusp of being competitive, but right on the cusp isn't good enough. Paladin aggro is inconsistent, Paladin control is 100% dependent on drawing at least one equality, if not both.
Ive read this on other boards as well. Being so dependent on one card sucks. Bah! I do like the Shaman too. May look into Thrall.
Angelwatch
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Yep. Reynad has been streaming Hunter tonight and, already, I've seen card for card netdecks from him 3 times in a row.
One thing that's wrong with Paladins, Mages, and the like are the lack of good 5 drops. Add that their 4 slot is congested to hell and you have Azure Drakes all over the place. This used to not be that bad of a case when Sylvannas and Blizzard were 5 mana but they've both been nerfed to 6. I even see some control Paladins are running Azures in lieu of better options. Personally, I go with Silverhand Knights and a Kodo but Druids just have it so good with Druid of the Claw.
Here's to hoping the Adventures add some 5 mana class cards.
I just lost to a druid. He was on 4 life with nothing on board. I was on 20 life with alex, rag and baine on the board. Force of nature, innervate, double savage roar. That's 22 damage out of his hand...good design blizzard.
After that I managed to lose 3 times in a row to the same warlock. it was just the standard zoo deck that he copied from a website, but it's damn hard to beat unless you get the perfect counter draw. And I was playing a control warrior with everything I could want except Geddon.
On the plus side, I also beat a handlock after I used harrison to draw 7 cards.
After that I managed to lose 3 times in a row to the same warlock. it was just the standard zoo deck that he copied from a website, but it's damn hard to beat unless you get the perfect counter draw. And I was playing a control warrior with everything I could want except Geddon.
On the plus side, I also beat a handlock after I used harrison to draw 7 cards.
Vandyn
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I beat a hunter rush last night with my Druid deck but I had a really good draw. I just played really conservative early, single minions per turn while clearing his board at the same time. Once it got it turn 6 I had him with coin into Ancient of war, then turn 7 faceless copying the Ancient. He never played UTH because he never could combo with it, especially since there was never more than one minion pre turn 6.
Mures
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So I just looked this up. You have to finish rank 2 or higher to reset to rank 15 next season. Really wish they would add a break point every 5 lvls past 15. I haven't played much this month and I did a little laddering the other day right before RoS launched and I literally have not dropped a game this season from 25 to 16***. I understand its getting near the end of the season so its pretty settled, but not one person I played had a competitive/complete deck. Why the fuck subject myself and others to that every season? I'd like to not start at 25 next season, but I don't know if I'll find the time to get to rank 2 before the season ends either.
Also, the patch came out March 11th, the game is live now is it not? But in the patch notes it says card back rewards will not be awarded for test seasons, is this still a test season then? Is the next season the first official season?
Edit - Alright, I just went to the official forums and found out the answer for my second question, but I also came across someone saying they were rank 11 so they'd be reset to rank 19 so now I'm confused on that, did they add another break point since those patch notes?
Vandyn
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I've always understood it to be one star per rank. Rank 11 = 14 stars. Rank 25 - 21 are two stars (10 stars). Rank 20 is 3. So 10+3+1 would take you to rank 19.
Actually, it's better explained here under season reset.
Play mode - Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Wiki
I don't think we're getting any card back because this is still a test season. The first 'live' season begins in april (also mentioned in that link above).
Angelwatch
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I've been deranking like crazy these past couple of days. I know I say this every couple weeks but the game has completely lost all of its fun for me. It's nothing but Reynad Hunter and Reynad Zoo decks out there right now. Reynad should feel proud. By himself, he has completely destroyed any semblance of fun this game has. Yeah I know if not him it would be someone else but still...