Hearthstone

Gavinmad_sl said:

Swag's build from July Week 3 power rankings on Liquid Hearth.

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Doesn't Mukla fuck you over a lot?

Usually the loudest dog in the room has the most to prove.

My apologies I didn't quote that with the intention of supporting a turdball like Reynad who (if I heard correctly) got banned from MTG for two years for supposed sealed stuffing. I completely agree the 'pro' scene in HS is pretty bad, although I enjoy Kiblers recent rise. He has a nice take, a mix of value and what he enjoys playing, much to the dismay of his rank 1 twitch chat. (fucking twitch chat)

Sebudai_sl said:

There are whole strategic areas of the game that players haven't gotten around to engaging in in Hearthstone.

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I agree with most of your post except this last part. Because Hearthstone is such a simple game and so heavily RNG based, there really aren't a lot of strategic layers to the game in the first place. The difference between the absolute best Hearthstone players in the world and someone in the 80th percentile of skill is negligible.

I just skimmed my way through Firebat's match with Tiddler Celestial, and despite Firebat sweeping him 3-0, I didn't see a single play mistake by Tiddler, or from Firebat. What I saw was Firebat consistently getting amazing draws and Tiddler getting shit draws. These problems are magnified with the way Hearthstone decks are built. While the 30 card/2 per deck limit mirrors Magic, the 1 legendary limit means you have half the chance to draw your bombs. So you're really fucked when you don't draw them, and sitting pretty when you do. The tournament format of rotating through heroes instead of doing a best of 3/5 with the same decks magnifies the random aspect of it as well.

Famm_sl said:

Doesn't Mukla fuck you over a lot?

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Eh, sometimes, but it's a classic aggro paladin card because of the synergy with divine favor. Generally the turn you play Mukla you trade to clear the board instead of going face so they can't use the bananas to kill Mukla. You gotta go a little balls to the wall with aggro paladin because your hero power is so incredibly weak for most matchups compared to Warlock or Hunter. I do think this version of the deck is better than the version with double wolfrider/double arcane golem for general laddering, but you might prefer the more aggressive version if you're running into a lot of patron because you need a lot of aggression and a well curved draw to beat them.

Don't get the healing wave haters at all. Not a great card against tempo or control by any means but you just need one and you put yourself at a huge advantage versus aggro of all sorts. Since you'll be playing it late chances are the minions you'll have left will win most jousts and a 3 mana card on round 10 is not going to ruin you.

ex-genj_sl said:

round 10

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Game is already decided.

60 cards with the same 2/1 restriction on cards would heavily favor aggro, because there are a limited amount of control tools but an endless supply of creatures. Like imagine how much worse the control warrior vs zoo matchup would be if you had to try and manage the same flood of possibly less efficient creatures but your 4 weapons and 2 brawls are now 10% of your deck instead of 20%. Aggro can afford to run less efficient cards, control can't.

It might work a couple years down the road when there are actually enough viable control tools to fill a 60 card deck, except by then you might actually be able to field 60 cards worth of top notch aggro cards. I suppose as long as most of their expansions have a theme, it would prevent our hypothetical 60 card aggro decks from getting out of control. Like mech mage works now, but imagine how bad it would be if only 50% of your deck was mech mage and the rest was just whatever you could fill in? How unreliable are your blastmages and technicians if you can't count on having a mech to play them with?

I mean it's digital, it'd take forty seconds to make a 60 card or "last expansion and pve pack only" deck ladder to let people try different formats.

I mean blizzard seconds are two weeks long but you get the point.

Palum_sl said:

I mean it's digital, it'd take forty seconds to make a 60 card or "last expansion and pve pack only" deck ladder to let people try different formats.

I mean blizzard seconds are two weeks long but you get the point.

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You have to understand they are on a shoestring budget with this thing only pulling in $20mil a month. Give them some credit for making a game at all!!!

Gavinmad_sl said:

Also, I don't know if I'm just having a good day or if one day being back on Adderall is having that much of an effect on my mood, because I've lost some bullshit ass matches clearing these dailies but I ain't raging for once. Just played against against a mech mage who drew both blastmages in his top 11. Even played around a single blast mage by keeping a mech off the board, but later he played them on back to back turns and wrecked my board, and my only out was drawing a second consecrate.

Gonna push for rank 5 while I'm still in a good mode.

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Aggro paladin is just a shit deck and not worth playing in ladder in this meta, you'll be wasting your time. Midrange pally is just so much better and consistent than aggro pally for laddering and matches well against most popular decks. I'd play it too if i had Tirion.

DrLifetilt_sl said:

Aggro paladin is just a shit deck and not worth playing in ladder in this meta, you'll be wasting your time. Midrange pally is just so much better and consistent than aggro pally for laddering and matches well against most popular decks. I'd play it too if i had Tirion.

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Famm_sl said:

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do u even ladder bro

past rank 10 very few people play aggro pally, it is usually face/midrange hunters, patron/control warriors, new zoo and handlocks, midrange paladins, tempo mages, ramp druids and that's it for the most part. Freeze and mech mages, shamans, priests and oil rogues (even though oil is very decent in this meta) are rare.

Midrange paladin is a good solid deck that can rank.

Aggro paladin is super inconsistent and relies too much on Divine Favour. It is nowhere near in the same ballpark as face hunter as aggro decks are concerned. Every month it reappears the last week of the season, because desperate people who have never made legend think they can make legend with it.

Let me tell you how good the deck is that I don't even have the cards for.

Famm_sl said:

Let me tell you how good the deck is that I don't even have the cards for.

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I've been playing against it all the time, i think i know how good it is.

I'm sure you know more than the pros at Tempostorm and Liquidhearth. The difference between the matchups for the two decks is that midrange pally is worse against patron and face hunter, gets crushed by oil rogue, and gets shit on by aggro pally. Aggro is worse against ramp, but nobody plays ramp.

I mean the Liquidhearth blurb about aggro pally says that the meta is shifting against the deck, but at the same time they moved the deck up 4 spots on their ranking. I mean it's obviously a tier 2 deck and will never be tier 1, but it's definitely better on the ladder than midrange is right now. The only time I would say to drop aggro pally is if you're queueing into a lot of patrons, but I certainly wouldn't switch to midrange in that situation.