Hearthstone

Ah yea, I didn't mention Auchenai + Light - it's a must to run Light with Auchenai - usually it's only a 1/2 you'll get from it (since the bonus critter will usually die before you lose the Auchenai to be able to gain life) - but being able to drop an auchenai and throw an immediate 3+2 somewhere likely removing 2 creatures or alot of face damage and being up two critters as long as your at 7+ mana is quite a nice tempo swing.

I don't have Vol'jin.

Alex_sl said:

I don't have Vol'jin.

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I'd rank him as an essential priest card at this point. Especially for Tempo. Since he offers so many nice trades.

This is my list:
Priest - Deckbuilder - HearthPwn

Mulligan for 1/2 drops, pw:s. You have a lot of good targets for velen's, zombie chow, ooze, and deathlord being your best targets. If going second I'll also keep deathlord/velen's if I get them in hand because you can do turn 2 deathlord, turn 3 velen's, but if you have/draw into curve it is better to play into curve. I haven't seen as much silence lately, but all 3 of those targets aren't so bad when silenced, why I say those are the best velen's targets. With the amount of early game the deck has it is normal for turn 1 zombie chows to stick around all game or until you play auchenai and you can trade them and deal 5 damage. Light of Naaru w/ auchenai on board is 3 points of damage and it spawns the lightwarden. Dire wolf and shrinkmeister are tech cards, use them to get advantageous trades. Literally no one expects dire wolf from priest so they think their 3 health minion is fine from zombie chow. I have the azure drakes in there for card draw, but after some more testing I'm thinking about swapping one/both out for bomb lobber.

If you curve out with this deck it usually ends in slaughter for your opponent. Control warrior is tough if they draw war axe/death's bite and while rogue is bad for priest this tempo deck has a much better chance than the slightly slower/more control decks.

About oil rogue, I don't think it is nearly as consistent as miracle rogue was.

Edit - Forgot loatheb in the original link, I fixed it. Also just swapped out the azure drake for bomb lobber and he's done work for me the first couple of games.

mures_sl said:

About oil rogue, I don't think it is nearly as consistent as miracle rogue was.

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It isn't, but it still matches up very well against hunter and mechmage. I ground golden rogue with miracle, so I can handle oil rogue just fine, i'd just rather accumulate wins on a hero that isn't already golden.

And then you have games like this where the game is over turn 3 although my opponent didn't concede.

Shaman/me
Turn 1 Zombie Chow/NSC
Turn 2 hero power(heal totem)/Coin + Velen's - trade into zombie chow
Turn 3 Harvest Golem/Shadow Boxer - trade buffed nsc into harvest golem + Light of Naaru - shadow boxer hits the injured golem.

slippery_sl said:

Tempo Storm site pay wall is the dumbest thing they've done.

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We discussed that about 5 pages back.


You would think they would have learned from wow arena sites that make you pay it is far better to have the number one site that is free versus a site that has locked content.

Reynad could easily take out his competition, but that site is doomed to fail if they keep locking content behind the pay wall.

Speaking of fun with priests... I thoughtstole a frothing berserker, slapped him with a pws, and got him up to 11 attack before the warrior conceded. Good times.

Since I'm fairly casual I don't have all of the meta memorized and basically rely on 2nd monitoring hearthpwn every game to find out what deck my opponent is playing and what to look for. This is obviously tedious and was thinking about making a webapp that would more or less identify opponent's hands in 1-3 cards played i.e. click "go", click the class you're playing against, click or enter in card they played and it will show you most likely decks they're playing with. Obviously somewhat of a project and I have the whole "how do I get my data" problem but question is: would people use this/care? I'd make it responsive/work fine on phones obviously.

ex-genj_sl said:

Since I'm fairly casual I don't have all of the meta memorized and basically rely on 2nd monitoring hearthpwn every game to find out what deck my opponent is playing and what to look for. This is obviously tedious and was thinking about making a webapp that would more or less identify opponent's hands in 1-3 cards played i.e. click "go", click the class you're playing against, click or enter in card they played and it will show you most likely decks they're playing with. Obviously somewhat of a project and I have the whole "how do I get my data" problem but question is: would people use this/care? I'd make it responsive/work fine on phones obviously.

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It's probably not needed. Part of the problem is that you're using hearthpwn for searches. Trying to use an anti-competitive site for competitive use is going to get you shit results; a large percentage of their decks are old, out-dated, were never good to begin with, and/or not actually updated with current meta decks.

You're much better off checking tempostorm, liquid hearth, ihearthu, or basically anywhere else for meta data/information. Your searches will be a lot quicker/more efficient. Most of those sites have meta-spotlight articles/threads that concisely sum up the general state of the meta anyway.

tldr: Hearthpwn is for the window-lickers. Use other sites.

What is best way to deal with Sylvanas assuming you have minions on the board and no hex or poly? This may be too general of a question to ask here, but I'm wondering if there is a general consensus. Do you just flood the board with minions, kill Sylvanas, and hope the deathrattle effect isn't too painful? Or, the opposite... suicide your minions and hopefully draw some sort of removal like fireball, shadow word death, etc. There are probably entire forum posts dedicated to this. I'll look around.

That's a bunch of bullshit that people in this thread keep spouting like elitists. You can find every deck you will see on the ladder on hearthpwn, you just have to know how to filter out the massive amount of them. The majority of competitive ladder decks are in the top decks for every class on the front page and as soon as a streamer is playing something at legend or in a tournament someone will copy it to hearthpwn. Also people will copy any deck off the other sites you named and post them on hearthpwn the same day they are up. Am I saying hearthpwn is the be all end all of HS info? No, but people in this thread act like there's no worthwhile information or decklists there ever. Its simply a matter of being able to recognize the good from the bad.

What hearthpwn has that other sites lack and can't account for is massive popularity. Once you find a worthwhile deck there's going to be a ton of people in the comments who have already fucked with it and tried different tech slots and reported what they thought. Some of those commenters will be scrubs, but once again you learn to separate it.

Anyway, the best way to know the meta is to play around with different classes popular builds. Then when you face them you recognize it quicklyandyou know the ins and outs from having played it yourself. Of course that takes a big card collection and some time to sink, but that and playing on the ladder a lot will get you recognizing builds fast, drawing ideas for how to tech basic templates and looking up the new stuff after you encounter it.

taho_sl said:

What is best way to deal with Sylvanas assuming you have minions on the board and no hex or poly? This may be too general of a question to ask here, but I'm wondering if there is a general consensus. Do you just flood the board with minions, kill Sylvanas, and hope the deathrattle effect isn't too painful? Or, the opposite... suicide your minions and hopefully draw some sort of removal like fireball, shadow word death, etc. There are probably entire forum posts dedicated to this. I'll look around.

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You can ignore her if she cant kill herself against you next turn or pick and choose what to crash into her to minimize what will get stolen. Its a different answer in every situation and all the awkward plays you have to make to deal with her is what makes the card so powerful. If its simple to deal with her on that turn then your opponent made a bad move dropping her or you were just lucky to have a way to neutralize her.

Yeah, I hear ya. When I don't have a simple answer for her, my entire tempo gets fucked trying to play around her. I guess that's why she's considered a good card. I think she will be next card I craft when I get 500 more dust.

taho_sl said:

What is best way to deal with Sylvanas assuming you have minions on the board and no hex or poly? This may be too general of a question to ask here, but I'm wondering if there is a general consensus. Do you just flood the board with minions, kill Sylvanas, and hope the deathrattle effect isn't too painful? Or, the opposite... suicide your minions and hopefully draw some sort of removal like fireball, shadow word death, etc. There are probably entire forum posts dedicated to this. I'll look around.

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In a position like that I generally just go face, that way whatever she steals (if she does successfully suicide on their turn) is delayed a turn as she steals it.

Famm_sl said:

Am I saying hearthpwn is the be all end all of HS info? No, but people in this thread act like there's no worthwhile information or decklists there ever. Its simply a matter of being able to recognize the good from the bad.

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If you can sort the wheat from the chaff on Hearthpwn, exactly what help do you need with decklists? The point is not that there is nothing useful on Hearthpwn, but rather that the signal to noise ratio is really bad. Whereas someone can go to the weekly meta snapshot article on Tempostorm, assuming they don't start hiding that series behind the pay wall too, and get not only a fairly accurate analysis of what decks are big and what counter them, but a good decklist to start with for every single one of them. Hearthpwn is a jumbled mess.

Thanks for the heads up on oil rogue, wrecking shop tonight with it, not quite as good as miracle but still pretty fun.

Think I'll just only play HDW from now on

Famm_sl said:

What hearthpwn has that other sites lack and can't account for is massive popularity. Once you find a worthwhile deck there's going to be a ton of people in the comments who have already fucked with it and tried different tech slots and reported what they thought. Some of those commenters will be scrubs, but once again you learn to separate it.

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Let's be real: hearthpwn is popular because it's 1) a curse site and 2) the forum culture supports a scrubby mentality, which is generally always going to be more popular than a competitive one. And let's be real; the overwhelming majority of deck comments there are either totally fucking retarded or asking what to sub in if they don't have doctor boom.