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Im going to destroy you point for point ,because its obvious you are new.

This is a pretty bad answer, and you clearly haven't actually played the Paladin deck,
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I have a 60 Paladin, had it since the first beta. I understand everything about them
while are massively overstating what the Warlock can do.
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You obviouslly have no clue what the Handlock is all about, and it is why it is my favorite deck to date.
Lets go into this

Jarraxus and Alexstraza are never going to heal 14 each
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100% they will, if you are at 1 life they will give you 14 each. Those are the facts.
So there potential healing is 14 each

It isn't that unheard of to not draw any of the giants or drakes by turn 4, at which point you're going to be incredibly far behind.
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Never in the 100's of games I've played has that ever happened, and here it is why it will never happen. Also why Locks are the kings of the giants.

1) you mulligan to get you a watcher, or Drake first round
2) if for some reason you don't get one, you tap for 3 rounds straight

so that is auto 6 cards going into round 4, and you started with 3 cards, or 4 if you go first.

You have 4 giants, 2 drakes, 2 watchers. That is 8 out of 30.
You picked up 9-10 cards before round 4. You would have to be the most unlucky guy in the world not to pick up 1 out 8 potential cards.

Not to mention you also have Pagel,


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Jarraxus is overstated in usefulness, because usually by the time you need to play him the act of playing him losses you 2 turns
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Jarraxus is situational like everything in the Lock deck. It is played determined by what you need on the board. There is so many ways you can potentially use it in end game.

Especially when there are so many decks running around with huge burst combo's like Force/Savage, various Leeroy stuff, etc.
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Agro decks are exactly what a Handlock wants, getting damaged early so you can lay shielded minions with huge board advantage is what makes them so powerful.

There is only one bad matchup for a Handlock, and that is the Shaman. The rest you will beat. It's the whole reason people run them against Druids who are hands down one of the most powerful heroes this round.
 
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How is handlock better against rush decks? It can only heal for up to 6 until turn 9 and that takes 2 cards, and it does damage to itself in the early turns. I thought that the whole point that people started to use paladin instead of warlock is because warlock was struggling with rush hunters.
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It's because you have no grasp of that playstyle.

Sometimes I want them to rush me down, especially hunters. Nothing worse then potentially having 2 shielded giants early game, most people just quit at that point.

Handlock has never struggled with the rush. Burst late game is way worse then any early rush could be.
 
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Column_sl said:
100% they will, if you are at 1 life they will give you 14 each. Those are the facts.
So there potential healing is 14 each
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How many times are you at one life when you can play Jarraxus or Alex? Either you know it is completely absurd to count them as 14 heals or you are fucking awful at Hearthstone. Pick one.
 
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khalid_sl said:
How many times are you at one life when you can play Jarraxus or Alex? Either you know it is completely absurd to count them as 14 heals or you are fucking awful at Hearthstone. Pick one.
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My stalkers folks, I appologize for them they follow me around this board
 
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khalid_sl said:
How many times are you at one life when you can play Jarraxus or Alex? Either you know it is completely absurd to count them as 14 heals or you are fucking awful at Hearthstone. Pick one.
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Column regularly distorts reality. (And yes, I realize there's some irony in me commenting on such during my times I was annoyed about shit)
 
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1-5 life at late game happens all the time.

And guess what there is Jarraxus, or Alex just sitting there ready to put you back in.
Not only that but you are always playing something against them as your life goes back up.

Your life pool isn't the number that you hero maxes out at. It is a number that is modified by other cards or shields.
To not count those 2 cards as the potential of doing 14 on your hero is where you guys slip out of reality.
 
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You might win a couple like that but, the favor will always be with UTH. The deck you have is garbage, and it is why you are at rank 7.
You need to play a better deck like Handlock if you have to play big creature control, or the many version's of Strifeco.
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Some of this is probably the difference between ladder ranks. The Paladin deck might be a good fit in the cesspool between rank 10 and 6...I ran into a lot of issues making Handlock succeed around there. I switched to a mid range druid to break through and get past it. Now that I'm past it...Around Rank 7 I saw a shift in the deck builds and Handlock became more effective.

I'm generally of the opinion that the Giant Paladin deck looks like a less effective Handlock...But I've been wrong before. So much of this depends on your opponents and the skill you can finesse against them. The reason that hunter decks are so aggravating is that they boil the game down to a very basic formula that is made much more effective with the ease of the Hearthstone mana system. Every turn you draw a card...There is no drawing land and mana growth is consistent.
 
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My stalkers folks, I appologize for them they follow me around this board
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Well in this particular instance you are coming across as somewhat of a faggot. Going on an on about a standard netlist that you yourself could never have come up with. Then calling people "shit" for using strategies other than your precious copy cat deck. Oh yeah and fuck them for being rank 7 too.
 
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You derailed by randomly throwing in an insult to another poster in your rage about a loss.

So I just found out the hard way that spell damage *secretly* applies to healing when it's been converted to damage. Had a Velen, Shadowpriest & a Thalnos out. My Holy Fire said that it was going to do 12 Damage to my opponent and Restore 10 Health to me. I knew that it meant it was going to do 10 damage to me, but because both numbers had * on them I thought they were accurate, despite it being damage rather than heal. But It did 12/12 and killed both my opponent and me at the same time and gave me a loss. Haha.
 
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Well in this particular instance you are coming across as somewhat of a faggot. Going on an on about a standard netlist that you yourself could never have come up with. Then calling people "shit" for using strategies other than your precious copy cat deck. Oh yeah and fuck them for being rank 7 too.
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And that is why you will stay at rank 7.

It's not the net decks that everyone uses that makes it possible to rank into legendary, it's the strategy of knowing what decks to play ,and at what times to strategically climb the ladder.

There are very few that come up with the decks everyone uses, and honestly that is not what constructed is about anyway. Bragging about how good you can build decks is more powerful in Arena
 
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Brand_sl said:
Some of this is probably the difference between ladder ranks. The Paladin deck might be a good fit in the cesspool between rank 10 and 6...I ran into a lot of issues making Handlock succeed around there. I switched to a mid range druid to break through and get past it. Now that I'm past it...Around Rank 7 I saw a shift in the deck builds and Handlock became more effective.

I'm generally of the opinion that the Giant Paladin deck looks like a less effective Handlock...But I've been wrong before. So much of this depends on your opponents and the skill you can finesse against them. The reason that hunter decks are so aggravating is that they boil the game down to a very basic formula that is made much more effective with the ease of the Hearthstone mana system. Every turn you draw a card...There is no drawing land and mana growth is consistent.
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You are 100% right Brand, but the reason why Handlock is awful for ranking up is because of the slowness of the deck if it goes late game.

A loss on a slow deck is far worse then a loss on a fast deck imho, and that is why people switch from agro to control constantly to maximize win streaks
 
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Anyway, it has been recommended before, but watching Reynad, trump, strifeco and other streamers doing constructed can really give you a jumpstart on what types of decks you should use and why. Reynad has a horrible personality but he also tries out weird cards and decks often and it is interesting to see the shit play out.

Also, contrary to what Column is saying, it is possible to get to Legendary completely with one deck. You don't need some skill in what decks to switch to or whatnot. Plenty of streamers have done it using only one deck the entire time, with relatively little changes. Trump even did it with a deck that he spent zero money on and did zero arena, using cards most people consider arena-viable only.
 
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Also, contrary to what Column is saying, it is possible to get to Legendary completely with one deck.
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I'm not sure why I'm even bothering. You're like one of those weird fanboys that knows all the streamers names ,but never plays the game itself

Different seasons it was easier to grab higher ranks on a single deck, in this season ( which has gone on for 2 patches) it is very difficult, and not efficient to play like that.
You are not going to want to play a slow deck into 5, the same way you will not want to play a fast deck forever.

Gratz to Trump for accomplishing that, but most people will not want to go through such a large headache.
 
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No one was asking how to do it fastest - of course that's the fastest route - faster decks for faster games and all...
 
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Column_sl said:
never plays the game itself
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If anyone in this thread actually doesn't play the game itself, it is you. Talking about how Jaraxxus and Alex are almost guaranteed heals for 14, as if it happens so often that your opponent conveniently drops you to 1 life but decides not to finish you off.

I mean, yeah, they are great cards and often heal for a lot, but nowhere near 14 on average, not even close.
 
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Column_sl said:
WTF are you mumbling about..
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I was commenting on your "insight into getting to rank 5" - no shit grinding out games against the chaff you want to play something quick until you get to reasonably challenging tiers - slowing down as the difficulty ramps up is a given...
 
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Vaclav_sl said:
I was commenting on your "insight into getting to rank 5" - no shit grinding out games against the chaff you want to play something quick until you get to reasonably challenging tiers - slowing down as the difficulty ramps up is a given...
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Dumb-ass, I'm obviously commenting on Khalids post on how you can just easly waltz into legendary with one deck because some famous streamer did it.

Maybe you have him on ignore tho which would make sense since hes only here to stalk me anyway.
 
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