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Vaclav
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I don't have him on ignore and he never claimed it was easy - he's stating it's an option - you keep talking about the easiest route treating it like it's the only method. And frankly, the "insight" of playing a fast deck in those tiers is completely worthless.
If someone can't grasp that it's better to play fast decks when you're going through the easy ranks if you want to do it quickest, then they're probably not going to grasp the nuances of play that are necessary to get to such a rank.
I'm hardly rustled - I just think hyperbole is stupid when you're trying to advise people of things - if someone needs half the advice he's trying to give the hyperbole would actually be harmful, to be frank.
If someone can't grasp that it's better to play fast decks when you're going through the easy ranks if you want to do it quickest, then they're probably not going to grasp the nuances of play that are necessary to get to such a rank.
I'm hardly rustled - I just think hyperbole is stupid when you're trying to advise people of things - if someone needs half the advice he's trying to give the hyperbole would actually be harmful, to be frank.
I like how you just make shit up, at what point did anyone say anything about average healing.... WTF is average healing in Hearthstone LULZ
It's potential jackass. If you are at 1 it will bring you back up to 15. That is 100% fact
Have you watched Koyuki's stream? He got to legend on nothing but Paladin giants and he really didn't have any issues with Hunters. You just play around traps, put up taunts, and delay as much as possible till you draw your heals and/or bigger taunts. The only match-up where his win rate was less than 50% was vs Warlock/Murloc. Part of that is obviously his level of skill at the game.
khalid
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Stating the card is a heal for 14 is fucking stupid. If you can't understand expected performance of a card, then you surely aren't a very good deckbuilder. At least you can netdeck I guess, then you don't have to worry about those things.
The cards main purpose isn't to heal you... But it has that utility like everything in a Handlock deck.
As far as being a good deck builder in constructed? LULZ
Now Crawl back under the rock you came from. Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but you're abusing the privilege.
Gavinmad
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Potential healing isn't the end all measurement though. Heals in a paladin deck will pretty much always get full value. In all the games I've played with handlock, which admittedly is only like 25-30, I've gotten a 14 point heal once that I remember. However, I do remember multiple times I've gotten small heals or even nuked my opponent with Alex because I had no other plays and needed the 8/8 body on the board. I've played plenty of games against handlock and they've never once gotten a 14 point heal against me.
Paladin also doesn't need as much healing as warlock since you aren't tapping your health away to draw cards. I'm not saying one or the other is better, I'm mainly just saying this is a really stupid metric to use to compare the decks.
Vaclav
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Indeed, it's potential and honestly most of the time you're not going to let yourself get close to 1 before you pop it because if you do almost ANYTHING can wreck you if they draw even one trick. Realistically because of wanting to use it when you're close to dying it's going to be used around 6-8 in my experience - sometimes you'll get lucky and it'll be more, but that's not the norm at all.
It's better than Guardian of Kings on both counts, but not astronomically better on average because you can't armor to run the razors edge with life without risking death. Sometimes you'll get lucky, but with EVERY class having access to some form of direct damage, it's going to be rare that you do it at 1 unless you're just going for YOLO shit and dying half the time because of it.
And as for it being hyperbole - his "healing count" that started this whole tirade (which originally quoted them at healing 15 - obviously laughable) doesn't say "potential healing" it just says "healing" - sure, since you can't exceed 30 health with healing technically ALL healing is, but the max of 30 is far less of an issue with getting healing potential to max on normal heals that don't scale UNLIKE Jarraxus and Alex.
The moral of the story Handlock>Giant Pally.
Even if their heals were abit worse, which they are not, they run that giant deck far better then anyone except for oldschool charging warriors.
Even if their heals were abit worse, which they are not, they run that giant deck far better then anyone except for oldschool charging warriors.
khalid
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Yeah, I just don't understand why talking about the expected performance of a card is so shocking to him. That is how you compare ALL cards in ALL games. How the fuck can you even adjust a deck if you can't compare expected performance?
Take cards like Questing adventurer or Van Cleef. You have to talk about expected performance. Judging them on "potential" is fucking absurd. They would outclass every creature in that case. So would Nat Pagle since potentially he draws a card 100% of the time.
Well then if it's expected performance, then the utilty of Alex is amazing.
Alex will set someone up for lethal, or heal you to play a 8/8 on the board.
In a handlock Deck that is amazing since it revolves around utility.
all healing is potential since we are capped at 30......
Alex will set someone up for lethal, or heal you to play a 8/8 on the board.
In a handlock Deck that is amazing since it revolves around utility.
all healing is potential since we are capped at 30......
Vaclav
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Yes all healing is potential (as I mentioned in my post already) - but being limited to a cap of 30 is far from kiting death to make sure you actually get the potential out of it versus kiting death literally to get 14 out of Alex and Jar. They're great cards for the heal they offer at times, but as a routine they're not going to get 14 that often because of the risk is falling into lethal damage just to eek out a smidge more efficiency.
They're amazing, just don't overstate the amazingness - and the Warlock activated ability of course feeds in well to them being better than they usually are for Warlocks - but they're great cards that usually nets 5-10 pts of healing, occasionally even more if you get lucky.
They're amazing, just don't overstate the amazingness - and the Warlock activated ability of course feeds in well to them being better than they usually are for Warlocks - but they're great cards that usually nets 5-10 pts of healing, occasionally even more if you get lucky.
And no one said you have to kite death.
You hope you never have to use those cards for that purpose,but it's there if you need it.
Which feeds back to the original debate that Handlocks can't heal well compared to Paladins, and I say they can.
Handlock IMHO is the superior deck in Giant Pally vs Handlock.
You hope you never have to use those cards for that purpose,but it's there if you need it.
Which feeds back to the original debate that Handlocks can't heal well compared to Paladins, and I say they can.
Handlock IMHO is the superior deck in Giant Pally vs Handlock.
I'll play a deck, either deck!, against someone in this thread who wants to play the other one. Best of 3, 5, whatever, so long as we can post the results and end this conversation. Christ.
Gavinmad
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I'm not very good with handlock so we could play and you'd win with pally giants and then we could come back in here and say that pally giants is the better deck. Which would then start the conversation back up again!
Column are you claiming to win more than 50% vs Hunters as a handlock? Unless they are not running owls and deadly shots I dont see how that is possible.
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Funny y'all are talking about Alex - I just had a pack draft 2 blues (Gadgetzan Aunctioneer + Gold Counterspell), Alex, Ice Barrier, and Loot Hoarder. Definitely my best to date, it's a shame I'm not a fan of the Mage, put Alex and Loot Hoarder in each of my decks.
Question for you min/maxers: should I be rerolling all my 40g quests even when just starting out? I know to max gold I should not complete them and reroll as often as possible, but so far I've had shit luck; I think I just want someone to tell me if I can grab that gold or to just STFU and wait it out.
Question for you min/maxers: should I be rerolling all my 40g quests even when just starting out? I know to max gold I should not complete them and reroll as often as possible, but so far I've had shit luck; I think I just want someone to tell me if I can grab that gold or to just STFU and wait it out.
The true min/max is not even playing the game if you have a suboptimal quest unless you are capped at 3.