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Mures

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Just because reynad's zoo deck has ~24 of the same cards from curi's board control warlock doesn't mean it isn't a new and entirely different deck. I mean while the card pool is still so small just about every deck is the same ~24 cards with different flavors for different metas.
 
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Frenzied Wombat_sl said:
Just recently got into this game, so a total newblet by most standards. Used to play Magic the Gathering online A LOT and initially REALLY did not want to like Hearthstone, as it initially seemed like a simplified version of MtG, but damn I am hooked. Still not sure why exactly lol, as MtG has more options/strategy-- maybe it's the easy/fluid UI, or the crafting, or the fact that the game hasn't devolved (evolved?) into some environment where some crazy blue control deck can lock you down on turn 3 (unfun).
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It's probably the ease of access and the fast, uncomplicated gameplay - the intended strong points for Hearthstone.

That said, bored of the limited choice as I am, is the pve Naxx thingie only adding 30 cards and that's it for 2014 or is there any hope of them trying to have a release plan that can keep a CCG interesting (for me that means new set of cards in 6 months or less after the last set of 50+ cards)?
 
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Zoos been around forever, people just didn't play it much.

Reynad found the few cards that put it over the top. Like I said every Hearthstone player changes meta decks, they just don't have 15k people watching them.

I never said Reynad wasn't a smart guy, in fact I think he is much too smart to play Hearthstone. IMHO he just does it to make money, which is why he probly bitches a lot on his stream.
 
drtyrm

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Column_sl said:
The game has a skill wall that is reached very quickly that is built into it because it has no execution. There is no great to amazing players in Hearthstone like they have in Fighting games, the game doesn't allow for it.
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Obviously a ccg doesn't require execution like a fighting game. The genres are so different I don't understand why you even make the comparison. Does not support your low skill argument.

certainly no interesting plays
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Your opinion. Does not support your low skill argument.

Any halfway good player can beat a so called pro, because everyone is essentially at the same place ,and you are at the mercy of a coin flips.
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Agree individual games are not indicative of relative skill. Yet, somehow the same players continue to place well in offline + online events.

The card pool isn't even deep enough to play around with. We are seeing the same decks cycle through constantly.
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Agree it is a new game and the card pool is shallow. Does not support your low skill argument.

Taking a High skill capped game like Chess for instance. You will never see a high skilled chess player be beaten by a low skilled player.
You will also never see stops in advancement in that game because the game isn't set up around random generation.
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Agree Chess has no random component like a CCG. Why make the comparison?

I've never played Magic so I can't say what is going on in that game, but I assume that because of the depth of the card pool, and the differences in the way the game plays that is has a much higher skill cap then Hearthstone.
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Is this your first CCG?

Also, note I refuted your points without calling you a scrub like you did to Khalid. You fucking moron.
 
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Obviously a ccg doesn't require execution like a fighting game. The genres are so different I don't understand why you even make the comparison. Does not support your low skill argument.
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Actually it does, otherwise you will have a player base that is all the same level like every other low skilled game like monopoly.

There will never be any pros, or great players. You fucking retarded piece of shit,

I can go all day on this Dytrym , want to test me?


Agree individual games are not indicative of relative skill. Yet, somehow the same players continue to place well in offline + online events.
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The same popular streamers that get asked to every event you mean? Some tournaments consisting of literally 20 people that is invite only ahah
 
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You think Monopoly and Hearthstone have the same amount of randomness?

And again, is this your first CCG?
 
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Drtyrm_sl said:
You think Monopoly and Hearthstone have the same amount of randomness?

And again, is this your first CCG?
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And you've played more then one CCG and you think Hearthstone is high skill? rofl

These are all competitive games, they are based off skill levels.

Hearthstone has a low skill cap like MONOPOLY that literally anyone can reach, and the so called pros can't even break through.
 
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Even in open tournaments a lot of those popular streamers do well though, some of them thats how they became popular in the first place.
 
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mures_sl said:
Even in open tournaments a lot of those popular streamers do well though, some of them thats how they became popular in the first place.
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Wrong, almost every popular streamer was known from MTG. Kripp is the only one that I can even think of that wasn't/

Trump, all those guys were from MTG.

Tournaments are very sketchy, iIm sure they are seeding certain players to have a better chance for the finals considering how easy it is to get RNG'ed out because of how low skilled the game is.
 
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Nah Mures, the top arena streamers all have 70% win rate in the most-random mode in Hearthstone by sheer luck alone. I assume all of Trump's stream earnings go to sacrificing goats and chickens.
 
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Except there is A) no arena play in tournaments b) how many other players are at 70% win rate (A fucking lot)

So what makes Trump special? his fucking stream, and the articles he generates for Hearthstone.

Can you say that for any other Esport out there? What major pro is on the same level as literally 1000's of other players.
 
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How did he get people to watch his stream in the first place? Trump was a SC2 player most recently. He is a good player, informative and personable. Oh wait, sorry, everyone is the same skill level at Hearthstone. Cause of random.
 
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Trump started at 250 people generated from the website. I used to watch him a year ago. Hearthstone grew, and his viewer base grew with it.

Kripp started at 10k....

If no one cared about Hearthstone, Kripp would still be at 10k ,and Trump would still be at 250.
Don't confuse popularity with Trump being on the exact same level as 1000's of other players. The difference is they don't stream, and isn't there fucking job to write articles.
 
drtyrm

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But you can't be good at Hearthstone. You said so:

Hearthstone has a low skill cap like MONOPOLY that literally anyone can reach, and the so called pros can't even break through.
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Once again Column, is this your first CCG? There's nothing wrong with admitting ignorance. It's the only way to learn.
 
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But you can't be good at Hearthstone. You said so:
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Wrong you can be good at the game, but you cant be great like every other competitive game. The game does not allow the pros to separate themselves from the masses.
The only way to do that is to become a popular streamer, and write articles. Both facets having nothing to do with the game itself.

There is no other Esport that has that built in.

Once again Column, is this your first CCG? There's nothing wrong with admitting ignorance. It's the only way to learn.
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Seems like the only one ignorant is you. is this your first competitive online game?
 
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Column_sl said:
Wrong, almost every popular streamer was known from MTG. Kripp is the only one that I can even think of that wasn't/

Trump, all those guys were from MTG.

Tournaments are very sketchy, iIm sure they are seeding certain players to have a better chance for the finals considering how easy it is to get RNG'ed out because of how low skilled the game is.
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Even if they were "popular" due to mtg do you think people watch them because they were mtg famous? Kolento, was he a mtg player? I honestly don't know, would anyone give a fuck? People watch him because he reached #1 legend on both na and eu at the same time. Savj, was he a mtg player? again, does it matter? He got a following because of reaching legend in both na and eu and because of his tournament placings. Trump, reynad, koyuki, do you think people would have ever watched them and continue to watch them based off their mtg or l5r merits alone? No, people watch them based of their hearthstone merits they continue to watch them because they are well within the top 2% of hearthstone players.
 
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No, they watch them because Hearthstone is one of the most popular streamed games right now. Allot of those streamers started at the ground level a year ago.

They are the same players that were in invite only events for the last 12 months.

2% of Hearthstone populace is a fucking shitload of people.
 
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Watching Column and Drtyrm argue is just making my day.

Newsflash you two - you both act like cunts to everyone in whatever game thread you are posting in
 
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