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Well it looked like you were popping in to the FD discussion. So whatever.

You actually quoted my saying that I wasn't really talking about FD to talk more about FD. Are you reading these posts that people that are not you make?

I'm with Arbitrary. I'm hedging my opinions on most of the new cards we're seeing, what the meta will be like, and what decks will be playable until we have a better idea of the post GvG meta landscape.

I am seriously looking forward to the first week of GvG on the ladder though. It ought to be pretty whacky.

I dunno, from what I've seen the Huntertaker decks could use all the "win-more" cards they can get because that's essentially exactly how they win. If they lose any momentum it comes down to topdecking. That being said I'm not sure I'd expect to see a glut of FD but I could surely see one in the Huntard deck I was playing this month.

I see two big difference between Feign Death and Reincarnate. First, Hunters have access to some really good class specific Deathrattle cards where Shaman do not. Second, as a result of number 1, Hunters play a lot more minions with Deathrattle compared to Shaman.

And because of the Hero Power, I don't see Hunter changing drastically. There will be tweaks to take advantage of the new cards that are good but Hunter will always be aggro-centric due to their Hero Power. And that's why cards like King Krush and Godzilla aren't very good for them (both too expensive and in Godzilla's case he has zero impact on the board). With traps I'm sure that control Hunter could work but you have to ask yourself: Why? Just play aggro Hunter and get more, easier, wins.

Gavinmad_sl said:

The meta is going to get turned upside down. That doesn't change the fact that the only thing keeping hunter viable right now is one specific wildly overpowered card. Until that card gets nerfed, the only cards that will go into a hunter deck will be cards that support the undertaker gameplan.

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Come on, hunter isn't JUST about undertaker. Its dangerous in many decks, and there's been numerous classes incorporating it. Generally you attempt to get rid of it in every matchup, its not that different in hunter. You don't think hounds and skill command are just as instrumental in hunters viability? Putting people on the clock with your hero power, two cheap five damage DD's, and the threat of never letting your board get too big are all working for hunter just as much as the two undertakers. None of those things have anything to do with the "undertaker gameplan". There's tons of hunter matches where your UT gets removed immediately, or it gets stuck as a dead card, or you simply don't get to draw them efficiently.

sKill command, secrets (aside from synergy with UT/Mad Sci, which is really the bigger issue than the webspinners everyone keeps pointing to, and is also present in mage and pally albeit with less powerful secrets probably) the weapon, animal companion, potentially houndmaster and highmane, all are auto include and don't really exist soley because the class is running undertakers.

If you don't think that hunter will adjust their game with the new meta and stay strong but different then you're myopic. Nerfing UT won't kill hunter any more than nerfing Hounds, Buzzard or Leeroy did. Crying about the card is mostly butthurt talk where you're only remembering the outlier matches that UT pissed you off.

Angelwatch_sl said:

There will be tweaks to take advantage of the new cards that are good but Hunter will always be aggro-centric due to their Hero Power.

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Mid range Hunter has been a thing before.

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Arbitrary_sl said:

Mid range Hunter has been a thing before.

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We're talking semantics here but Mid Range and Control are two very different decks. Mid Range Hunter was fueled by the Buzzard + UTH combo which is no longer viable. Mid Range Hunter had a favorable match up with Control Warrior (which was the reason Mid Range Hunter was created since Control Warrior hard countered aggro hunter). The problem was that Mid Range Hunter was hard countered by several other deck types like Miracle Rogue.

While I'm not saying Mid Range Hunter won't return, I, ask again, why? Too many other classes do Mid Range better.

Famm_sl said:

Come on, hunter isn't JUST about undertaker. Its dangerous in many decks, and there's been numerous classes incorporating it. Generally you attempt to get rid of it in every matchup, its not that different in hunter. You don't think hounds and skill command are just as instrumental in hunters viability? Putting people on the clock with your hero power, two cheap five damage DD's, and the threat of never letting your board get too big are all working for hunter just as much as the two undertakers. None of those things have anything to do with the "undertaker gameplan". There's tons of hunter matches where your UT gets removed immediately, or it gets stuck as a dead card, or you simply don't get to draw them efficiently.

sKill command, secrets (aside from synergy with UT/Mad Sci, which is really the bigger issue than the webspinners everyone keeps pointing to, and is also present in mage and pally albeit with less powerful secrets probably) the weapon, animal companion, potentially houndmaster and highmane, all are auto include and don't really exist soley because the class is running undertakers.

If you don't think that hunter will adjust their game with the new meta and stay strong but different then you're myopic. Nerfing UT won't kill hunter any more than nerfing Hounds, Buzzard or Leeroy did. Crying about the card is mostly butthurt talk where you're only remembering the outlier matches that UT pissed you off.

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You're wrong for a lot of reasons. Mostly, you're just not making much sense, a lot of your arguments are circular. Of course classes adjust to nerfs, but that doesn't change the fact that UT is the only thing making Hunter viable right now, take out UT and Webspinner is fine. The fact that Hunter has "adjusted" before doesn't change that. Hunter has always adjusted via an OP card that has needed nerfed. Which just goes to show how structurally flawed the Hunter class is right down to its foundations. A single card can make or break whether Hunter sucks, or is dominant. Yes, Webspinner makes UT more problematic, but that's like saying a Murloc Tidehunter is the real problem with Murlocs, because it allows or Murloc Tidecaller to be buffed more easily. Obviously Murlocs aren't op, but if they were, the above argument would be silly and it's basically what you're saying with UT.

Undertaker is the problem, it's as simple as that. If it were a case of Webspinner being the problem, then UT would only be seen in Hunter decks, rather than 90% of everything in the meta right now. Yes Webspinner exacerbates it, but Webspinner isn't the problem, nor is Kill Command or Hunter's Mark or anything else. It's a combination of things that allows Undertaker to excel in Hunter even more than it does in other classes. You're saying that nerfing UT won't kill Hunter anymore than nerfing Hounds and Buzzard did, but you're forgetting that every card that has saved hunter has needed nerfed and that if your argument were true, and nerfing UT won't kill Hunter, we'd be seeing other Hunter decks out there right now, maybe not often, but they'd be there.

Just because there are a ton of matches where UT gets removed early and Hunter might still win, doesn't change the fact that UT is the problem. You almost always gain value and a huge tempo advantage when your UT is taken care of early, it's a win/win when you drop UT early. The fact that people are putting in a 2 mana silence (Ironbeak Owl) to deal with UT and that people have the mindset that this is a good deal/trade, just shows how problematic and OP Hunter is. Nowhere in the history of HS has anyone ever said that it's valuable to use a 2 mana card to deal with a 1 mana card. But UT is so OP that in this meta, it is.

I'd like there to be other options for Hunter, but I don't see them coming anytime soon, because as I've said before, imo the Hunter hero ability seriously limits the range of Hunter play styles and feasible decks.

New Shaman card...

Angelwatch_sl said:

While I'm not saying Mid Range Hunter won't return, I, ask again, why? Too many other classes do Mid Range better.

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I'm not the one talking "always".

Another burst Shaman (or possibly spell damage Shaman) card.

New Hunter card...



This makes 60 cards revealed now, if you include the Warrior weapon only revealed in the gameplay video.

MossyBank_sl said:

New Hunter card...

This makes 60 cards revealed now, if you include the Warrior weapon only revealed in the gameplay video.

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Holy fuck man.

That's a damn good card.

It seems my early fears of GVG sucking were unfounded. It simply seems that the early teasers were bad and now they're starting to show us the good stuff.

I've got 3,000 gold and 3,500 dust ready to go so I should be ready to knock a good chunk of the cards out of the way at launch.

MossyBank_sl said:

New Hunter card...

This makes 60 cards revealed now, if you include the Warrior weapon only revealed in the gameplay video.

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So if it gets stolen by a Rogue/Druid/Warrior/Warlock/etc what exactly happens? ^_^

New card vote = Bolvar Fordragon (paladin) vs Mal'Ganis (warlock) legendary cards.

Bed Brode says both are in his top 5 favorite GvG cards, course he's a hype machine so who knows, should be cool... kinda hope the Warlock one wins.

New Druid card...