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Ameraves_sl said:
I think to really enjoy this show you really have to suspend your belief in reality a bit, and just enjoy the ride. There are a ton of things that you can nit pick about, but overall I think this season has been great. Started out a bit slow, but I actually really like how they have tied up some of those lamer story lines.
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Yeah. This is definitely true. I use the word silly to describe pretty much all the major events that have taken place after season 1, but the show is still entertaining and well acted.

It's just hard not to compare a show to its own previous seasons and season 1 was pretty much perfect. That's the only real downfall of the show to me. They had one of the best seasons of TV ever and just haven't been able to follow it with the same quality.

Still entertaining though. It's not like say Weeds which I thought started wonderful and then just got really stupid and bad.
 
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enjoyed the episode except for 1 thing....

so this guy, Jivadi's boss.. Shirazi i think his name is, anyway.
So this guy is untouchable, never alone, nobody can get close to him, always with a group of people/body guards. He gets 1 call from Nazir's wife and instantly gets a 1:1 meeting with Brody, where during this first time real meeting, he tells his guards to leave them alone in his office. really?
 
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Ameraves_sl said:
I think most people understand this (at least I hope so), but who wants to watch a guy hold a pillow over someone's face for 3+ minutes? I am 100% okay with them shortening that for TV/Movies. Also as already pointed out, the guy did have some serious bleeding coming from his head.
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I get it, but it still makes me laugh along with other agreed-upon Hollywood conventions like causing instant death by rotating someone's head 45 degrees, guns that don't run out of bullets, and a single blow to the head causing unconsciousness for however long it is convenient for the plot.

And FWIW, I liked the episode a lot.
 
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supertouch_sl said:
He was smothered for 35 seconds while suffering severe head trauma so I'm ok with the death under those circumstances. Also, Iran isn't a popular travel destination, but an American woman walking through the streets of Tehran isn't outlandish.
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Yeah, it was definitely not 9 seconds like some people are insinuating. It went on for a while and 35 seconds of it seems reasonably long for a smothering on a TV show.
 
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Ameraves_sl said:
I think to really enjoy this show you really have to suspend your belief in reality a bit, and just enjoy the ride. There are a ton of things that you can nit pick about, but overall I think this season has been great.
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I have the hardest time imagining how a nameless foreign shop owner in LA ascended the ranks of the Iranian government and is about to be placed in the head leadership position. All this after accidentally ALMOST killing a security company installer's daughter. Thank god she had her invisible cloak of invincibility that daddy gave her!

(Yeah, I'm talking about the movie, Crash.)
 
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I know this shit is now a couple of weeks old; but I've been catching up with Homeland and I saw the Tower of David episode and I'm like "WTF I used to work next to it in venezuela" (At Banco Mercantil). So funny how they captured the whole thing LIKE it is, that shit is real.

I used to park in one of the tower's parking lots (I'm talking like 8 years ago) before it became this tower of lawless shit. Now that I'm living in the states I'm like "I seriously don't miss that shit"
 
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Terial_sl said:
enjoyed the episode except for 1 thing....

so this guy, Jivadi's boss.. Shirazi i think his name is, anyway.
So this guy is untouchable, never alone, nobody can get close to him, always with a group of people/body guards. He gets 1 call from Nazir's wife and instantly gets a 1:1 meeting with Brody, where during this first time real meeting, he tells his guards to leave them alone in his office. really?
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Akbari obviously put a lot of trust in Nazir's widow since he had her vet Brody and, up until that point, her intuition seemed to be correct. I could see where Brody showing up at her doorstep convincingly acting like someone was trying to kill him (since they were), claiming to have important information about Jivadi might cause people to abandon protocol temporarily.

Though, I can't help but question why Akbari wouldn't immediately call his guards back in the moment Brody mentions he was sent to Iran to assassinate him. I can't believe the guy rose to become the head of the IRGC without some familiarity with the long con. The guy is so paranoid he rarely travels and, when he does, travels with an armed escort, but Brody confessing that he was sent to Iran to get close to Akbari to assassinate him while, in fact, being close to Akbari in Iran doesn't make him raise his eyebrow even a little? While I still enjoy the show, they could do a better job writing their villains. Seems like too often they are these extremely shrewd, intelligent men until the point where they enter a room with either Carrie or Brody.
 
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It seems reasonable that when you're being told that your second in command is a CIA operative that you might not know who you can trust with that info so maybe he didn't want one of his guards to hear and possibly alert Javadi.
 
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The episode was a little confusing.

At first he was definitely planning on turning against the CIA and staying there for real.
Then he caught wind of a lie from the head guy (or maybe a truth? I'm not sure), and decided to carry out the plan. He wouldn't have told the guy about Jivadi if he was actually planning on killing him at that moment.

Brody gonna Brody.
 
Lenas

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I watched it thinking that telling the general about Javadi was his plan to get quick access to the guy, finish the mission and avoid being killed by the CIA.
 
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In the room he talked about being redeemed, he also talked about it to Nazir's widow. After spilling his guts about Javadi, the general told Brody that Nazir had sat in the same chair and told him all about the American Marine. Brody then mutters "so this is where it all started," and then grabs the ash tray. I take that as meaning Brody meant to stay in Iran until the moment he remembered how Nazir had manipulated him so badly and realized this guy was the exact same.
 
Lenas

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Nah, all of that shit was just Brody making the guy more comfortable. Asking about Nazir loosened up his guard.
 
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See, I don't think telling them the truth was a comfort plan. I mean, if there happened to be audio recording in his office (which is likely), he just spoiled everything. He could have just as easily said like... "I was sent here by Javadi to bake chocolate brownies" and it would have had the same effect. He was already in his office and the guy was already sitting next to him before he shared any of the assassination info.
 
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Xarpolis_sl said:
The episode was a little confusing.

At first he was definitely planning on turning against the CIA and staying there for real.
Then he caught wind of a lie from the head guy (or maybe a truth? I'm not sure), and decided to carry out the plan. He wouldn't have told the guy about Jivadi if he was actually planning on killing him at that moment.

Brody gonna Brody.
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Yeah. I wasn'texactlysure how to take all this either. I sort of thought he never gave up on the plan, but had little choice once he became a propaganda piece.

The weird part is him flipping into action once he finds out the CIA has put a hit on him. I think that mostly just made for a sort of lame but kind of suspenseful TV moment, because for half a second you believe he might be turning on America (again).

To be honest though I might jump off the ship the moment I find out the CIA has green lighted an assassination of an innocent American citizen.
 
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I think Brody gave up being an innocent American citizen the day he wore a bomb vest into a presidential bunker, but if that didn't do it, how about the assassination of the vice president he helped commit?
 
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At least Brody is consistent. He always let's his conscious of the moment dictate what he does, since he usually gets pressured into things then has some emo crisis at the critical moment.
 
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Lenas_sl said:
I think Brody gave up being an innocent American citizen the day he wore a bomb vest into a presidential bunker, but if that didn't do it, how about the assassination of the vice president he helped commit?
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Not to mention, about the only person who would believe an innocent American was killed would be Carrie. The people who knew Saul's plan believed he re-defected and had really damning information that would blow the other part of the plan (ie Javadi), while the rest of the country would likely applaud the CIA for taking out the Langley Bomber before he could hatch another plan with terrorists in the Middle East.
 
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Lenas_sl said:
I think Brody gave up being an innocent American citizen the day he wore a bomb vest into a presidential bunker, but if that didn't do it, how about the assassination of the vice president he helped commit?
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Forgot about the Vice Pres. Good point. He's still the only one that knows about it (even though there's a fucking iPhone FaceTime conversation occurring right when it happens explaining everything).

So calling him an innocent American is poor word choice. But it's still kind of shitty for the CIA to turn their back on him at that moment. And in a situation where we wouldn't have to suspend disbelief so much probably some severe legal issues with them doing so.
 
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