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Haast

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A lot of banks hassle you to explain a ton of shit on your bank statements. BoA is a shitty institution though.
My mortgage broker explained to me that anti-terrorism regulations now force them to create a massive paper trail about any money deposited in your account that isn't a paycheck direct deposit from a recognized employer. This is a recent development, like maybe in 2010?

The regulations are probably as fat and ineffective as TSA agents.
 

Cutlery

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My mortgage broker explained to me that anti-terrorism regulations now force them to create a massive paper trail about any money deposited in your account that isn't a paycheck direct deposit from a recognized employer. This is a recent development, like maybe in 2010?

The regulations are probably as fat and ineffective as TSA agents.
Well, it was similar in '09. My mortgage guy basically said that it was because they want to make sure that you have the money, not that you owe someone else for your down payment, and then have a mortgage on top of that.

Which is pretty reasonable, I guess. What large checks do you routinely deposit in your bank accounts that you can't explain anyway? I don't have any. 99% of my deposits come straight from our employers, the other stuff is silly shit like reimbursements for buying shit for extra curricular stuff or birthday money or something.
 

Asshat Brando

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Did you convert to salt water by choice, or was it like that when you got it? If you converted, I'd be interested in hearing how the process and costs were.
No, the pool was built by the previous owner to be specifically for salt water. It's not salty like the ocean, you just don't have to add any chemicals as there is a catalytic converter that burns the salt into chlorine which is a much better process for your skin and hair.

Yes, but only one bank offered it. Each banks offers a different array of PMI packages. I worked with Weichert Financial and they were the only folks with it. The wife and I have a credit rating of near 800 so it was available to us. We could of also spent ~4k up front to get rid of it as well, but with a interest rate of 4% it made sense to increase the mortgage for the same cost.
Every bank offers financed MIP, it's a standard Fannie/Freddie product. You can do 5% down and then finance the MI which is 2% for a 97% loan. By putting down 10% you just received slightly better pricing as the risk adjusters change when going from 90%-95% to 95.01% and up.

Everybody bitching about pools
I think this is really an individual thing, we have family over almost every weekend and there are a lot of kids so the pool gets a ton of use. The last month where it's been cold and rainy the pool hasn't been getting as much use but since I can handle the day to day maintenance myself it's not a big deal. Just don't be a retard and let kids run around by it with no adults watching, pretty simple.

moontayles rant
Start a new application with another lending institution ASAP to get you asses covered. As a former B of A loan officer I'll tell you what I tell everybody else, B of A is not in the business of doing loans anymore. They just told Fannie to fuck off because they were delivering loans so badly that they were having to repurchase an inordinate amount yet they weren't setup at all to deliver to Freddie Mac, it's a whole different type of system that Freddie uses than Fannie so they are having to do a lot of shit manually from an underwriting standpoint. It's a joke, you'll probably end up having to start making customer service complaints and even then they won't get shit done for you. Save yourself the headache and stress by getting started somewhere else, get your loan fully approved and then just wait on the appraisal so you're not spending any money until you are positively sure that B of A isn't going to come through which will probably be the case.

A lot of banks hassle you to explain a ton of shit on your bank statements. BoA is a shitty institution though
This isn't by choice, the government runs the whole show now and we cannot do a loan without sourcing all funds used in the transaction to make sure we're not helping the Taliban launder money. Between the Patriot Act, updated Bank Secrecy and Money Laundering Rules and Dodd/Frank the residential mortgage business is now the most highly regulated industry in the country. It's actually more confusing for borrowers as we have to disclose and redisclose on every little thing even if it doesn't affect costs or the terms of the loan and each state has different regulations but it is what it is.
 

Saladus

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Yea, when I said that everything for my closing went relatively smooth, I neglected to include the part about sending emails back and forth for 2-3 with the mortgage specialist from TD who kept asking us for the SAME SHIT over and over and over and over. My fianc?'s father used to be a realestate lawyer, and he pretty much warned us ahead of time to prepare to send that shit multiple times, as banks always lose that stuff for some reason.
 

Draegan_sl

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My wife and I had some cash that we deposited in our bank account and I had to write a letter to the bank stating I don't owe anyone anything and no one is inflating our bank account to get a house.

Which was retarded since our credit rating and our tax returns gave us permission for $150k more than what we were asking for.
 

Asshat Brando

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Yea, when I said that everything for my closing went relatively smooth, I neglected to include the part about sending emails back and forth for 2-3 with the mortgage specialist from TD who kept asking us for the SAME SHIT over and over and over and over. My fianc?'s father used to be a realestate lawyer, and he pretty much warned us ahead of time to prepare to send that shit multiple times, as banks always lose that stuff for some reason.
No, it is not normal for your lender to have to request the same shit over and over. Fannie, Freddie, FHA and VA receive your file after closing electronically in almost all instances now. Your lender is scanning your documentation into a system and most lenders don't use paper files anymore because of this.

My wife and I had some cash that we deposited in our bank account and I had to write a letter to the bank stating I don't owe anyone anything and no one is inflating our bank account to get a house.

Which was retarded since our credit rating and our tax returns gave us permission for $150k more than what we were asking for.
This has nothing to do with how much you make or what your credit is. If those funds needed to be included in your down payment or for you to meet reserve requirements then not only do you need to explain where those funds are from but you need to source those funds as well to verify what you are stating. If those funds were not needed for anything then your loan officer could have told the underwriter to back it out and on your loan application your balance would have been lower by the amount of those funds. Sourcing of funds is a huge data integrity issues for the government and them buying the loans from the banks via Fannie, Freddie or whatever.

There are two things in play here; the first is that the regulations we now have to follow throw common sense right out the window and 2) that banks are scared shitless of having the file be found deficient by whatever agency your loan will go to as if you have to repurchase the loan you have to pay back the principal plus 20%.
 

Haast

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No, the pool was built by the previous owner to be specifically for salt water. It's not salty like the ocean, you just don't have to add any chemicals as there is a catalytic converter that burns the salt into chlorine which is a much better process for your skin and hair.

I think this is really an individual thing, we have family over almost every weekend and there are a lot of kids so the pool gets a ton of use. The last month where it's been cold and rainy the pool hasn't been getting as much use but since I can handle the day to day maintenance myself it's not a big deal. Just don't be a retard and let kids run around by it with no adults watching, pretty simple.
Yeah, the chlorine produced by the SWG is supposed to be less irritating than chlorine from tabs or bleach. I'd say the convenience factor of not needed to keep up Cl adds, coupled with the more consistent Cl level kept makes it very attractive.

The pool was never a priority for me, which is probably why I resent it since most of the maintenance falls on me. It would probably help if it got used more, but I really don't have a desire to use it.
 

Filwen_sl

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Every bank offers financed MIP, it's a standard Fannie/Freddie product. You can do 5% down and then finance the MI which is 2% for a 97% loan. By putting down 10% you just received slightly better pricing as the risk adjusters change when going from 90%-95% to 95.01% and up.
Let me ask you this, my wife and I are looking at houses, but the area we are looking at is pretty expensive for not much. We are both employed at full-time jobs and make a decent amount of cash. We have zero debt. We have saved quite a bit with parents offering quite a bit more towards a down payment on a house. We are first time home buyers, so I am looking into FHA financing just so we don't have to use most of our savings on a down payment. What is a better option - FHA financing and putting down say 5% (I know the minimum is 3.5%) or going private financing and putting down 10% and paying the higher (isn't it higher?) PMI than the MI on a FHA loan? We are going into to talk to someone at Wells Fargo, but I guess I am confused as to what is the better option for a first time home buyer. I'm basically thinking we can afford a higher loan amount with FHA because we won't need to put down as much. The difference between a like 450k and 500k loan in my area is huge.

edit - after reading through this, there is also option c which is I am completely confused and don't know what I am/should be talking about.
 

Asshat Brando

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Let me ask you this, my wife and I are looking at houses, but the area we are looking at is pretty expensive for not much. We are both employed at full-time jobs and make a decent amount of cash. We have zero debt. We have saved quite a bit with parents offering quite a bit more towards a down payment on a house. We are first time home buyers, so I am looking into FHA financing just so we don't have to use most of our savings on a down payment. What is a better option - FHA financing and putting down say 5% (I know the minimum is 3.5%) or going private financing and putting down 10% and paying the higher (isn't it higher?) PMI than the MI on a FHA loan? We are going into to talk to someone at Wells Fargo, but I guess I am confused as to what is the better option for a first time home buyer. I'm basically thinking we can afford a higher loan amount with FHA because we won't need to put down as much. The difference between a like 450k and 500k loan in my area is huge.

edit - after reading through this, there is also option c which is I am completely confused and don't know what I am/should be talking about.
The best option for when you cannot put down 20% and need PMI is to get Lender Paid MI. The MI is paid by having your interest rate increased for the time that you have MI, once you meet the criteria for MI removal then your interest rate is lowered back down to the base rate before the MI was added. The reason why this is the best way to do it is that to you, the homeowner, the MI is billed as just interest so that it's always tax deductible. MI is not always tax deductible, if you make over a certain amount you cannot write it off unlike interest which you can always write off up to $1.1mm in loan amount.

FHA in theory allows you to qualify for more because the debt ratios you must be at are much more lenient than conventional. FHA guidelines don't actually have FICO and debt ratio requirements, your lender decides on their own with FHA what their limit is.

FHA MI is the most expensive type of MI you can get as not only do you have a monthly payment that is higher than conventional MI but you have an upfront MI that is financed into the loan that increases your mortgage payment slightly.
 

moontayle

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Thanks for the information Brando. We're at the end of the entire process right now, or I would. Our problem was our overall situation. We had large sum deposits from cashing out 2 401ks, we made money on selling our house so we had to source that, we paid into an Equity Acceleration program and there was money left over in that account, plus what was left from our escrow. My wife essentially changed jobs from one company to another, though it was going from a corporate store to a franchise store, and this stupid loan officer just could not wrap her head around the fact that it was two separate entities and that it wasn't a transfer of employment. She physically had to quit her job at the corporate store in order to get hired at the franchise one. And yes, I had documentation for everything but it was still annoying as fuck to put it all together, PLUS they waited for fucking ever to ask us for this stuff. Then the silence when the paperwork went to UW which the Loan officer couldn't really do anything about except assure us that yes, it was in underwriting.

I don't plan on ever buying another house so I'm glad it's almost over.
 

OneofOne

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My wife runs a side business and we had to source every damn $40, $100, whatever deposits into our account. Even though we had to (of course) give our last 2 years tax returns which clearly shows she has a business which pulls in additional income. I have to say, overall it was a pretty painless process (after we FINALLY had an offer accepted). But we went with a mortgage broker who did every damn thing for us, instead of going through a bank. It's certainly worth going to talk to 2-3 of them and see what they can do for you. While I can't compare it to dealing with a bank, since we never dealt with one, I have to figure that having someone who's financially invested in you getting your loan will work a lot harder for you than random_bank_employee_01.
 

Filwen_sl

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My wife runs a side business and we had to source every damn $40, $100, whatever deposits into our account. Even though we had to (of course) give our last 2 years tax returns which clearly shows she has a business which pulls in additional income. I have to say, overall it was a pretty painless process (after we FINALLY had an offer accepted). But we went with a mortgage broker who did every damn thing for us, instead of going through a bank. It's certainly worth going to talk to 2-3 of them and see what they can do for you. While I can't compare it to dealing with a bank, since we never dealt with one, I have to figure that having someone who's financially invested in you getting your loan will work a lot harder for you than random_bank_employee_01.
How did you find your broker?
 

OneofOne

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The one we ended up going with was rec'd by a family member who used him previously. Ask around to see if anyone has any good brokers they can rec.
 

Insomnia_sl

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My house didnt have a pool, but the neighbor behind me who bought the place almost solely because his wife made him because it has a in-ground pool w/hottub too. He complains all the time how much of a pain in the ass upkeeping it is. He also has a bout 10 trees in his 1/2 acre backyard, so I would imagine it being a nightmare.
 

moontayle

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My house didnt have a pool, but the neighbor behind me who bought the place almost solely because his wife made him because it has a in-ground pool w/hottub too. He complains all the time how much of a pain in the ass upkeeping it is. He also has a bout 10 trees in his 1/2 acre backyard, so I would imagine it being a nightmare.
Holy shit that would make me choke a bitch. I hated when the leaves fell from the trees at our old house because it meant I had to mow at least twice a week to keep up with it (mulcher). I can't imagine having to skim the leaves from a pool every day.
 

Cutlery

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That's where the automatic cover comes in.

Too bad it's been broken since before we moved in, and pool was last on the priority list. It'll all be better this summer though. Maybe I'll have a different opinion. Probably not, I still don't see the point of sitting in a pool.

How did you find your broker?
To expand upon this, use a broker. Don't just go to one bank. Your mortgage guy has access to many lenders and can get you the best deal amongst them. It's been my experience that even a bank you've been customers at for 10 years doesn't give as much of a shit about you as you'd like. A mortgage broker however just wants your money, and that's a powerful motivator to get something done for you.
 

Orcus_sl

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We are buying a house here in a few months, and neither one of us know jack shit about lending or financing. She is a member of the state employee credit union. I'm under the impression that credit unions are superior to normal banks, and that nothing out there will compete with them. Is that true? Or are we gimping ourselves by not considering other options for a home loan?

This thread is highly educational for a couple of clueless nerds like us, thanks for all the input guys.
 

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My mortgage broker explained to me that anti-terrorism regulations now force them to create a massive paper trail about any money deposited in your account that isn't a paycheck direct deposit from a recognized employer. This is a recent development, like maybe in 2010?

The regulations are probably as fat and ineffective as TSA agents.
Actually... it's very helpful for law enforcement. money was being laundered to the US to buy cars>ship to Africa> sold for profit>profits went to terrorist groups like Hezbollah.
 

Haast

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Actually... it's very helpful for law enforcement. money was being laundered to the US to buy cars>ship to Africa> sold for profit>profits went to terrorist groups like Hezbollah.
Well, that would make me feel better about the process. How did the paper trail from mortgage lending help catch illicit car trade, though? Were they just finding large chunks of money deposited in peoples accounts and then tracing the source or something?