Selix
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Guest, it's time once again for the massively important and exciting FoH Asshat Tournament!
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TrollfaceDeux
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Ambiturner
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What? He lost more in season 2 than season 1. He's tainted by the scandal that got him the presidency, his wife is known as a whore, and his only actual friend had his business taken away. His Chief of Staff is also dead. Alot of things didn't go his way and the idea that he's a god who had everything go 100% as planned is just wrong
khalid
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Tainted by thescandal that got him the presidency. You seriously arguing that didn't work out for him?
His wife is known as a whore? Again, he won that scandal, easily.
His only actual friend had his business taken away? Yeah, the only way people could retaliate on Frank successfully was having a bbq joint owner ruined.
For all this stuff to work out, his opponents all had to be unending dupes, the worst being the President and his old Chief of Staff. I mean, none of these people ever seem to talk to each other and say "You realize what Frank is doing right??". Hell, as I mentioned before, the Chief of Staff resigning and then GIVING HIM A FUCKING MEDAL for the honor of destroying her, seriously? Even promising him she wouldn't talk to the press?
Which all was very entertaining at times. I like House of Cards, just s1 was so much better than s2 because absurdities like the above. It took a show which at least appeared to have some tenuous connection with reality and turned it into Frank being the political equivalent of Jack Bauer. Which is fine, and I can enjoy it on that level. Just disappointing when I think of how great s1 was.
Khane
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Out of all the things you listed, the only thing he cares about even slightly is his relationship with Freddy being obliterated and that is completely inconsequential to his goals. I don't think he'll care that Doug is dead (once he finds out), though I do think him being gone will help bring about his demise, though one can argue that Doug was the one who was fucking up so much and he is to blame.
He didn't have much to lose in S1, he was passed over as Secretary of State (was it secretary of state? I can't remember now) and that was the catalyst for the entire show, so of course he "lost" more in S2 (he didn't actually lose anything if you keep in mind his goals and aspirations). People aren't really arguing that point anyway, they are arguing that with some of the curveballs they tried to throw him it was too easy for him to bat 1.000
Ambiturner
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He definitely did care about Freddy and about his wife being known as a slut. They mention multiple times how she'll always be known that way even though they did a good job on damage control. He ultimately won in the end after overcoming problems and some small losses along the way. Just like every protagonist in every tv show ever. Not sure what makes this one so much worse.
If you want to complain about the Chief of Staff silliness, the 3 way, or trying to take a Mcpoyle seriously then that I 100% agree with
If you want to complain about the Chief of Staff silliness, the 3 way, or trying to take a Mcpoyle seriously then that I 100% agree with
Ambiturner
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Speaking of Mcpoyle, why the hell doesn't he think the agent would just shoot him in the face? He knows the reporter was put away for trying to expose a murder, so why wouldn't they just kill him, too?
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He definitely lost more in S2 than S1. In S1 he was a relative "unknown" (i.e. low key minority whip). He had to burn a lot of political bridges to gain the presidency (which was season two, where as in season 1 he was building them). Towards then end of S2 we got multiple people mentioning what a manipulative asshole Frank was. This wasn't the case in S1, and I'm sure it will have impacts on his downfall in S3/4. He still has the stereotypical-southern-mogul guy to contend with (the guys like Warren Buffet), Remy, the scandals people know about, and, of course, the shadow of the alcoholic-guy-death and perky-tits-death that he'll probably be held accountable for, not to mention the new challenges he's going to face as Pres. They need to start filming now.
P.S. to studio execs: Bring Kate Mara back naked in some flashbacks, please.
P.S. to studio execs: Bring Kate Mara back naked in some flashbacks, please.
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that threesome reversed my stance on gay marriage, it obviously will lead to MMF threesomes. now if they had ghost zoe come in haunt frank by seducing buttercup in front of him, well, totally different story. No golden gates or eiffel towers on my watch
i hope in season 3 its frank vs putin, they meet in siberia to divide up the world but their plane crashes and then a bear starts chasing them, killing putin. at the end it turns out the bear works for frank and he shoots it, winking to the camera that the only thing bears are good for are cuddling at night
i hope in season 3 its frank vs putin, they meet in siberia to divide up the world but their plane crashes and then a bear starts chasing them, killing putin. at the end it turns out the bear works for frank and he shoots it, winking to the camera that the only thing bears are good for are cuddling at night
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might? when it showed him laying there in that same position in the day with his eyes half open, clearly dead....I pretty much figured he was dead.
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I dunno if we are using spoiler tags in here or not but I will just because I type too damn much.
Having said all that, I think the show is great. There are some really solid performances to be found in there. I just hope the writers deliver more concise plot twists. Throw too many into the mix and the whole thing just ends up becoming a big mushy pile of "surprises" with no definition. Looking forward, this is especially true, given that the nature of the next season will naturally involve quite a bit of chaos.
I was kind of disappointed with the way they took stamper out. In the original series he became frustrated and felt unappreciated until finally his loyalty broke. Then he got put down when Francis set him up. It was a much more insidious scheme and showed just how brutal Francis Urqhart had become when dealing with his own people.
I think it would have been better if Doug had been sacrificed by Frank because they had had an argument. Have Doug finally snap hard at Frank, Frank gets all quiet, Doug becomes apologetic, Frank tells him some personal and slightly disturbing story about a dog that his father shot when he was a boy because it bit someone. Doug gets the hint and works hard to get back into Frank's good graces. Frank sets Doug up. Something dirty and not in public, like offering that nasty FBI agent who is managing the hacker his dream promotion, provided he makes Doug go away.
I dunno, just something a bit more involved than suddenly getting his skull crushed by his crush.
Overall the plot started to get flimsy by the end of the second season, like the last 5 episodes or so. I think Frank revealed his intentions to too many people and they all sided with him. Namely the secretary of state and the house whip Jackie. If either of them had gone to the president with that information, Frank's "Hail Mary" letter would have failed. Also, the investigation would not have been able to get Xeng to talk, which would not have brought Tusk in, which would have left only loose connections between the president and the controversy.
Jackie showed she was willing to get dirty to get what she wanted, but the secretary of state hadn't really given any foreshadowing that she was willing to jump ship. And Frank's little speech about needing a dance partner seems a bit thin as the sole motivation for her to betray the president. If she was so critical to Frank's plan, you would think he wouldn't have left it quite so much to chance. Finding some sort of leverage to back up his smooth talk would have made more sense.
I think it would have been better if Doug had been sacrificed by Frank because they had had an argument. Have Doug finally snap hard at Frank, Frank gets all quiet, Doug becomes apologetic, Frank tells him some personal and slightly disturbing story about a dog that his father shot when he was a boy because it bit someone. Doug gets the hint and works hard to get back into Frank's good graces. Frank sets Doug up. Something dirty and not in public, like offering that nasty FBI agent who is managing the hacker his dream promotion, provided he makes Doug go away.
I dunno, just something a bit more involved than suddenly getting his skull crushed by his crush.
Overall the plot started to get flimsy by the end of the second season, like the last 5 episodes or so. I think Frank revealed his intentions to too many people and they all sided with him. Namely the secretary of state and the house whip Jackie. If either of them had gone to the president with that information, Frank's "Hail Mary" letter would have failed. Also, the investigation would not have been able to get Xeng to talk, which would not have brought Tusk in, which would have left only loose connections between the president and the controversy.
Jackie showed she was willing to get dirty to get what she wanted, but the secretary of state hadn't really given any foreshadowing that she was willing to jump ship. And Frank's little speech about needing a dance partner seems a bit thin as the sole motivation for her to betray the president. If she was so critical to Frank's plan, you would think he wouldn't have left it quite so much to chance. Finding some sort of leverage to back up his smooth talk would have made more sense.
Having said all that, I think the show is great. There are some really solid performances to be found in there. I just hope the writers deliver more concise plot twists. Throw too many into the mix and the whole thing just ends up becoming a big mushy pile of "surprises" with no definition. Looking forward, this is especially true, given that the nature of the next season will naturally involve quite a bit of chaos.
Caliane
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This is my thoughts as well.
S2 quickly escalated into comic supervilliany.
And everyone around him turned into Ned Stark. Even people who themselves are supposed to be wolves, and sharks. Just all trusting Frank inexplicably, when they were people that worked with him, above him, for him, and knew damn well how underhanded he was.
Zoey and her boy friend drank some super naive coolaid as well. They ALL seemed to forget they worked for an internet rag with no oversight. why did they need proof again? They could have easily leaked rumors which would have made everyone start asking questions.
