Human Origin - Pig raping Chimps ?

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ZyyzYzzy_sl said:
So Germany (I think it's Germany) where bestiality is legal and there are brothels for that, will be the cradle of the species that will eventually over throw mankind.;
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Wait.. wait. I could go to Germany and pay to fuck a pig?

QUINLOE. I MIGHT NEED A PLACE TO CRASH.
 
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Somebody holler when they throw chimps and pigs in a cage together and one of them gives birth to a cave man.
 
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Iannis_sl said:
Wait.. wait. I could go to Germany and pay to fuck a pig?

QUINLOE. I MIGHT NEED A PLACE TO CRASH.
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Before you book a plane ticket to Germany, its not legal here and we dont have brothels with animals. There might be a few whale like looking hookers though.
 
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Ridas_sl said:
Before you book a plane ticket to Germany, its not legal here and we dont have brothels with animals. There might be a few whale like looking hookers though.
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You're not a fun German, Quinloe would encourage this kind of idea.
 
Malakriss

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Can't wait to hear about the research grants given to groups studying the possible hybridization of raptors with other animals. We need some National Geographic level CGI and animal porn music going.

Fuck, they literally just throw money at any group of idiots with a theory these days, don't they
 
hodj

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There's a million reasons why this is ridiculous, just reading the comments at the phys.org site, there's plenty of people with proper knowledge pointing out that humans and pigs latest common ancestor is 94 million years old. To put that in perspective, the time between donkey and horse last common ancestor is 10 million years and they produce almost entirely infertile offspring (mules). Same for the genome. Pigs have like 10 or 12 fewer total genes than Homo sapiens. Donkeys and horses have either the exact same or are only like 2 apart, and that still produces infertility. Same with lions and tigers, ligers are almost always infertile, and they have a very similar ploidy value for their genomes.

So just based on those two facts you can throw this guy's theories out, the chance that hybridization between great ape and pig could occur, and that that hybrid offspring could be viable, are beyond astronomically low.

Then you have the fact that he's basically saying "Ignore the genomic evidence, its all bullshit, here's how it really happened, based on my subjective opinion of my subjective review of morphological similarities between the two species"

But....pigs and humans are mammals. All mammals have very similar morphological similarity between them due to common descent. Further, pigs developed in similar environments with humans, had a similar omnivorous consumption patterns so their digestion and cardio vascular systems have undergone similar selective pressures....

Its a great thought experiment, and a good theory to put out there to have people debunk, but don't take it too seriously.

He is right, though, we should consider hybridization more in studies of the evolution of our species. Just, not with pigs. With other hominin species.
 
zombiewizardhawk

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The biggest flaw in theories like this, like hodj said, is that the odds are already against viable offspring. Then you have to add in the fact that just because 1 day a fertile liger might show up, how often are ligers popping out? What are the odds of 2 viable hybrid offspring being born in the same region, same time, and then proceeding to find each other, mate and then continue to produce viable offspring while avoiding extinction at the same time in order to actually grow the species population.

The best part for me, though, is watching people come up with these theories that requires tons of belief in millions of virtually non-existent percentages come together in one giant chain to result in evolution into human beings. Then someone mentions how God requires belief in some pretty seemingly impossible things too and they instantly start calling you a moron.
 
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Deathwing

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To be fair, extremely low chances(and a whole ton of time) is basically how life on Earth is explained. So I don't think really low chance, by itself, is a valid debunking method. His idea is shit, of course, just don't trap yourself into a stupid argument. It's only a matter of time until a_skeleton_03 wanders in.
 
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hodj_sl said:
There's a million reasons why this is ridiculous, just reading the comments at the phys.org site, there's plenty of people with proper knowledge pointing out that humans and pigs latest common ancestor is 94 million years old. To put that in perspective, the time between donkey and horse last common ancestor is 10 million years and they produce almost entirely infertile offspring (mules). Same for the genome. Pigs have like 10 or 12 fewer total genes than Homo sapiens. Donkeys and horses have either the exact same or are only like 2 apart, and that still produces infertility. Same with lions and tigers, ligers are almost always infertile, and they have a very similar ploidy value for their genomes.

So just based on those two facts you can throw this guy's theories out, the chance that hybridization between great ape and pig could occur, and that that hybrid offspring could be viable, are beyond astronomically low.

Then you have the fact that he's basically saying "Ignore the genomic evidence, its all bullshit, here's how it really happened, based on my subjective opinion of my subjective review of morphological similarities between the two species"

But....pigs and humans are mammals. All mammals have very similar morphological similarity between them due to common descent. Further, pigs developed in similar environments with humans, had a similar omnivorous consumption patterns so their digestion and cardio vascular systems have undergone similar selective pressures....

Its a great thought experiment, and a good theory to put out there to have people debunk, but don't take it too seriously.

He is right, though, we should consider hybridization more in studies of the evolution of our species. Just, not with pigs. With other hominin species.
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Extremely low probability just means you will have to fuck millions of pigs for science. Come back with a paper and I shall peer review it.
 
ZyyzYzzy

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hodj_sl said:
There's a million reasons why this is ridiculous, just reading the comments at the phys.org site, there's plenty of people with proper knowledge pointing out that humans and pigs latest common ancestor is 94 million years old. To put that in perspective, the time between donkey and horse last common ancestor is 10 million years and they produce almost entirely infertile offspring (mules). Same for the genome. Pigs have like 10 or 12 fewer total genes than Homo sapiens. Donkeys and horses have either the exact same or are only like 2 apart, and that still produces infertility. Same with lions and tigers, ligers are almost always infertile, and they have a very similar ploidy value for their genomes.

So just based on those two facts you can throw this guy's theories out, the chance that hybridization between great ape and pig could occur, and that that hybrid offspring could be viable, are beyond astronomically low.

Then you have the fact that he's basically saying "Ignore the genomic evidence, its all bullshit, here's how it really happened, based on my subjective opinion of my subjective review of morphological similarities between the two species"

But....pigs and humans are mammals. All mammals have very similar morphological similarity between them due to common descent. Further, pigs developed in similar environments with humans, had a similar omnivorous consumption patterns so their digestion and cardio vascular systems have undergone similar selective pressures....

Its a great thought experiment, and a good theory to put out there to have people debunk, but don't take it too seriously.

He is right, though, we should consider hybridization more in studies of the evolution of our species. Just, not with pigs. With other hominin species.
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Extremely low probability just means you will have to fuck millions of pigs for science. Come back with a paper and I shall peer review it.
 
zombiewizardhawk

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That's how life on Earth is explained... by some people.

How is his idea any more shit than the idea that over billions of years things like that have happened thousands upon thousands of times resulting in the evolution from single cell bacteria (where did those come from again?) to all the crazy shit on Earth today. Do people even do the calculations on how improbable it is for everything to have supposedly gone down the way they want it to have happened or is it just a bunch of people hopping on the "haha i'm smarter than you stupid religious people believing in God" bandwagon? My guess is the 2nd option for the vast majority of the population. Honestly, evolution etc. is just another religion, no different from any of the other ones. When it comes down to it it's just a bunch of people who want to believe in some other crazy set of possibilities than the other groups.

Ooh, it's possible that all life on Earth has evolved over billions of years from nothing, but it's not possible that you can blow yourself up for Allah and get 72 virgins. Ooh, it's possible that everyone is reincarnated as a different form of life based on how enlightened they became in their last lifetime but it's not possible that God created the Earth and the heavens. Etc. Etc. Etc.
 
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Its really just basic chemistry. If a sperm and egg don't have compatible receptors at the molecular level on the surface of their bodies, and if the ploidy values for a species' genome are more than 2 apart, they can't interbreed, or at least, to date, there are no examples of any two species in such a situation being able to interbreed successfully. I mean they might be able to fuck, like a dog can rape a chicken, but there won't be any offspring produced from that engagement.
 
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