I do not believe in equality

Titan_Atlas · Jun 5, 2016

I thought long and hard about finding as many links as possible to support my argument. Honestly though, no. This is a fairly simple conclusion and I will relate the basics.

1. Somebody warped the term equality. We are not equal and nothing in nature or reality proves this. In fact nature and reality work in opposition of equality.
2. This is not about race or gender. If anything the greatest thing we ever did was convert from race and gender being markers of ability and potential to money being the marker of success.
3. Equality of opportunity was the most ideal thing we could have driven for based on the intents of the founding fathers.
4. Most of the social unrest we have now comes from undefined social caste and forced attempts at equality that are really pushes for personal power based on identity politics.

Anyways refute my points. I personally think you cannot.

AngryGerbil · Jun 5, 2016

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AngryGerbil · Jun 5, 2016

Seriously though, you're right. The name of the game is equal opportunity, not equal outcomes.

Quaid · Jun 5, 2016

AngryGerbil_sl said:
Seriously though, you're right. The name of the game is equal opportunity, not equal outcomes.

Equality of opportunity has some pretty compelling arguments against it:

The problem is, everybody wants to convince you they're the short guy, even if they ain't.

chaos · Jun 5, 2016

Equality of opportunity is the only thing I have ever seen anyone substantive actually advocate for. This isn't Harrison Bergeron, no one outside of crazy extremists is advocating institutingactualequality. I have never heard anyone actually advocate for it but I assume those people exist.

Lithose · Jun 5, 2016

Quaid_sl said:
Equality of opportunity has some pretty compelling arguments against it:

The problem is, everybody wants to convince you they're the short guy, even if they ain't.

Here's the thing though--by giving the tallest guy ALL the boxes, he can harvest the whole tree, and feed everyone, and maximize human efficiency and progress so the short guy can go build something rather than trying to do this job he's poorly suited for. That's capitalism; diverting resources to those most capable to supply the need within specializations. (It doesn't always work like this of course, but nothing is ever that simple. Like the fact that there are more boxes in the equity picture, which is when equity will magically work--when resources are infinite we can waste them on people doing what they have no natural aptitude for. Which yes, will sometimes allow us to discover more things, but again, that requires resources to allow.)

Chukzombi · Jun 5, 2016

if you turned that box the other way that mexican could totally pick that apple

drtyrm · Jun 5, 2016

Titan_atlas_sl said:
3. Equality of opportunity was the most ideal thing we could have driven for based on the intents of the founding fathers.
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The Founding Fathers were all about equality of opportunity.*

*Except for slaves.

Quaid · Jun 5, 2016

New image, now with the correct number of boxes!

Titan_Atlas · Jun 5, 2016

Drtyrm_sl said:
The Founding Fathers were all about equality of opportunity.*

*Except for slaves.

At the time it was logical. If the people in question came from ignorant tribal people's as a whole they would have "seemed" inferior intellectually. Nobody is saying they were right and time definitely proved them wrong but circumstantially they made the correct assumption.

Titan_Atlas · Jun 5, 2016

Drtyrm_sl said:
The Founding Fathers were all about equality of opportunity.*

*Except for slaves.

Also to directly address your point. They were not trying to focus on equal opportunity the way we see it now. If you look at what I actually said I believe it's the lesson we should have taken from their intent. Not the express intent of them individually.

drtyrm · Jun 5, 2016

My point is more don't use the Founding Fathers in your bullet point. You asked for them to be refuted and turns out it was trivial.

sadris · Jun 5, 2016

I agree so I cannot refute.

What if black and latino poor wages is due to genetic factors and not white racism? What if we should be focusing on fetal care to help improve IQ? Or child abuse (including spanking) to reduce future likelihood of violent tendencies? Or dual parent households to lower poverty?

Nah. It's the whites fault. Better dump more money into teachers unions.

Chukzombi · Jun 5, 2016

sadris_sl said:
I agree so I cannot refute.

What if black and latino poor wages is due to genetic factors and not white racism? What if we should be focusing on fetal care to help improve IQ? Or child abuse (including spanking) to reduce future likelihood of violent tendencies? Or dual parent households to lower poverty?

Nah. It's the whites fault. Better dump more money into teachers unions.

average IQ of illegl mexicans is 82 and american blacks is 85

Mist · Jun 5, 2016

There's nothing new under the sun. This is an old argument.

There's no such thing as equality in nature. There's no such thing as freedom or safety in nature either.

The state of nature is that life is nasty, brutish and short.

Hence, we build governments to establish some reasonable level of equality, freedom and safety, in defiance of the state of nature.

Wingz · Jun 5, 2016

Me neither.

I'm glad stuff isn't equal or I'd have a lot of shit coming to me that I actually deserve that I didn't get. I bet a LOT of people would.

Sylverlokk · Jun 5, 2016

I think Equality of Opportunity was always the goal, anyone who thinks we can ever be all equal is ignoring one of our greatest strengths, diversity.

Arbitrary · Jun 5, 2016

Mist_sl said:
There's no such thing as freedom or safety in nature either.

Senseless freedom is still freedom!

drtyrm · Jun 5, 2016

sadris_sl said:
I agree so I cannot refute.

What if black and latino poor wages is due to genetic factors and not white racism? What if we should be focusing on fetal care to help improve IQ? Or child abuse (including spanking) to reduce future likelihood of violent tendencies? Or dual parent households to lower poverty?

Nah. It's the whites fault. Better dump more money into teachers unions.

Spanking eh? Fuck it I'm convinced. There is no equality.

sadris · Jun 5, 2016

Evidence suggests that spanking is equivalent to child abuse, on the mental effects of the child. The data is in. And there's a lot of it.

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