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I guess it depends what types of businesses are staying on ADP and what types of businesses are moving to Paycom, Workday, etc. It could significantly skew the sample. ADP's customer base appears to be "large employers that have been using ADP for a few decades and haven't bothered to switch to a modern platform even though it feels like this one was made in 1992."
You are a real dichotomy at times, sometimes you post in a manner that implies some deeper thought then others its just superficial thought vomit. You know who has good data on the ADP customer demographics? Shockingly, it's ADP and it's Freshman level statistics for them to make adjustments for their demographic vs the national.

What you actually wanted to say with this post is "I think ADP is antiquated garbage and there are newer better platforms" likely from some personal experience with the matter.

So just fucking say that, instead of somehow trying to shoehorn it into the irrelevant. It's a nitpick, we are the internet's #1 trans porn technology forum so maybe it's unfair one but felt like sharing this gripe with you anyway.

Also as always, please stop pretending to me a women.
 
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So after doing a deep dive into the revenue streams I have decided that RIO is more of what I am looking for vs BHP. It only pays dividends twice a year and just went ex-dividend already so my timing is shit but I think it ads some needed portfolio diversity. Working up an entry point now.

Here is a link to their diversified revenue stream. They move almost 100x more uranium than BHP.

 

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Good to have you back farmer Blazin Blazin
On the less salty side of things, I sold more QQQ puts yesterday. Still Fri expiration. Friday noon till close has me a little worried. Watching as many levers as I can trying to get a read on if bulls are going to defend this level. No trades today yet, but I have begun looking at next Friday expirations in the 280s.

This time of year can be a real pita with volumes so low have to be careful to not read too much into short term low vol moves.
 
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Mist

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You know who has good data on the ADP customer demographics? Shockingly, it's ADP and it's Freshman level statistics for them to make adjustments for their demographic vs the national.
I don't think it's anywhere near that easy to make a statistical inference about unknowns, as in, how many people have been hired this month at newer, smaller and likely more agile companies who use a competing software platform. If they know about the needs of those potential client companies, they'd probably have had more success getting them as clients.

And yes, I integrate call center workforce management software with payroll platforms, so the call center micromanagement infrastructure knows who has the day off, or so that call center supervisors can do the approvals from within the workforce management software without having to log into the payroll system, etc.

So yes, I'm making a larger point about an expectation that ADP numbers will be getting less and less relevant over time.
 

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I don't think it's anywhere near that easy to make a statistical inference about unknowns, as in, how many people have been hired this month at newer, smaller and likely more agile companies who use a competing software platform. If they know about the needs of those potential client companies, they'd probably have had more success getting them as clients.

And yes, I integrate call center workforce management software with payroll platforms, so the call center micromanagement infrastructure knows who has the day off, or so that call center supervisors can do the approvals from within the workforce management software without having to log into the payroll system, etc.

So yes, I'm making a larger point about an expectation that ADP numbers will be getting less and less relevant over time.
I understand what your saying but it's largely irrelevant to sampling of large data sets. There are like 30 some million small business in the country if I recall, we could miss entire industries and still land on a usable data for the whole. The process of refining how we collect data , what data we collect etc are the best efforts to account for changes in a dynamic system. With most systems you can arrive at relevant data with a surprisingly small sampling. Not the place to discuss sampling/polling methodologies but your point is not lost that it's completely plausible for a company that may be losing it's position would over time have less and less insight into the macro trend.

For example if we only relied on Comcast to understand TV viewership in 2022. To bring our back and forth to some use, economic statistics in general must adapt to a changing economy. I think BLS , FRED etc are obviously aware of this and I do believe there is some credible academic rigor that is applied by professionals attempting to keep data relevant. They are always fighting against improving data of current trends vs losing correlation to data of the past, and the study of those relationship is a principal part of economic analysis.

The basket of goods for CPI undergoes change, maybe slower than some would like to see, but I believe it's disingenuous to always assume that the hesitancy to change formulas is rooted in the nefarious.

Your previous statement is correct, this is a forum on the internet full of thought vomit and for the most part it's ill-suited to a deeper discussion of policy when bite sized twitter responses are so much more palatable to the masses.

Reminds me of young professionals that are really beginning to understand their field run to the more wizened superiors to show them how they discovered a better way or an inefficiency, and sometimes they have but for most they will then learn the missing part of why the process is what it is, and their discovery is not new but simply something that requires more understanding to see why that inefficiency simply remains the lesser of two evils rather than an oversight. So tldr;

Economic Statistics are universally flawed, but that does not make them useless, the more we understand the data they are inferred from and how they are derived we can make a best attempt to weigh their value. And as always if a particular set of data is not useful then simply set it aside and seek something better.
 
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I have a degree in statistics, lol. I had to take so many stats classes on my way through a graduate program in psychology, and already had a ton of CS credits, that I just got a stats degree.
 
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I have a degree in statistics, lol. I had to take so many stats classes on my way through a graduate program in psychology, and already had a ton of CS credits, that I just got a stats degree.

lol

“im so smart guys”
 

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I have a degree in statistics, lol. I had to take so many stats classes on my way through a graduate program in psychology, and already had a ton of CS credits, that I just got a stats degree.
"I have a degree" is a terrible argument. Can you use the knowledge you obtained during your degree to explain where Blazin is incorrect?
 
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Blazin

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I have a degree in statistics, lol. I had to take so many stats classes on my way through a graduate program in psychology, and already had a ton of CS credits, that I just got a stats degree.
I probably have enough undergrad and grad classes to qualify but my degree is in economics and I'm not a statistician but I may know enough to play one on TV. So you know well enough what I'm saying just not going to get into whether FRED, BLS or ADP are making basic statistical mistakes that would be easily understood by a sophomore in college. Everyone learns garbage in garbage out, doesn't mean it doesn't happen but some dorks on an internet forum poking holes sure is easy to do but are quite likely not seeing or understanding the full picture.

I have met PhDs in my field that I sometimes wonder how they managed to even get there but I still try to avoid assuming that my perception of their failure (like the Fed) is rooted in them being "retarded", but sometimes it's easier to just say "Janet Powell is fucking retarded" than it is to get into the nuance about how such a well educated individual may still be making poor choices for reasons beyond retardation.

And yes, I integrate call center workforce management software with payroll platforms

So for example why would ADP stat's be sufferings from such irrelevance when they could higher a Mist who integrates call center workforce management software to help them fix it ? For what 200K? They are a $100B corporation. Not just picking on you in particular. I like to bitch about the FED but they can't just go get a blazin to fix their shit?

We all like to sling shit, it can be cathartic but we all should be careful that we don't let our entertaining hubris cloud our assessment of the playing field. Reality is if I ran the Fed maybe some parts would be handled better while some other aspect that I'm less concerned with would suffer. Sanrith and I have kid around about that before, but fact is both of us would plunge the economy into recession and their would be dorks on the internet calling us retarded.
 
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So after doing a deep dive into the revenue streams I have decided that RIO is more of what I am looking for vs BHP. It only pays dividends twice a year and just went ex-dividend already so my timing is shit but I think it ads some needed portfolio diversity. Working up an entry point now.

Here is a link to their diversified revenue stream. They move almost 100x more uranium than BHP.

Been hopeful that Nuclear makes a comeback in the west; if this Russian winter doesn't do it, I have little hope that anything will.

Took a look at those companies and was wondering why RIO had a huge drop in Uranium production in 2021.

Looks like they shut down one of their mines in Aus, in 2021, and is now on the hook for a billion $+ clean up for it (LINK). They sold off some projects in Canada as well (LINK). So it doesn't look like production will be going up; 65k tonnes (metric) is probably where they are going to stay for this year. So, while it's still 20 times more than BHP's 3,300 tonnes (metric), will that small amount of Uranium, when compared to all the other products they mine, change the companies metrics, in any meaningful way?
 
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Need to time it. Sell it at the end of the day, dips in the first 3 hours and starts moving back up. I'm sure this is pure gold advice that everyone should take advantage of.
 
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Nancy dumping all her NVDA shares in July was impeccable timing once again
 
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Nancy dumping all her NVDA shares in July was impeccable timing once again
Funny how that works.

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Fogel

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Whats going on with these chinese IPO's going parabolic on extremely low volume. Without volume I can't imagine any manipulation is making anyone money worth the hassle

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Didn't see a bank thread. Other than local credit union, any bank suggestions. No Wells Fargo here.

I wanted usaa, but it looks like my dad has to have been a member not just in the service. I got a general discharge for sleep walking as a cav scout. My dd214 phrasing makes me unsure if I count as honorable or not. Not dishonorable or is never had my jobs. But seemed like it was done grey in between area.

Figured a local branch more than an atm ideal stove in getting antsy to pull a mattress and keep a decent sum of cash on hand in case Maga voters get Canadian style bank frozen.