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Blazin

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Not sure how well your point is being made. If there is a buyer then there is a price, assuming available supply exists. Are you saying that Saylor (or whoever) is going to buy all the supply available and since there is no supply demand would drop to 0? Am I just dense and not seeing an obvious point here?
It's a thought exercise about scarcity. We understand the normal dynamics of scarcity rather easily, it's less thought of on the flip side. It's good for in demand things to be scarce but not TOO scarce , one of bitcoins strongest pillars is its scarcity and it may also be its undoing. I'm not going to insult the IQ of crypto community because I know there are some very bright and talented people involved but our vulnerabilities that most catch us off guard can come from a perceived strength. I'm not going to get too philosophical with this nor am I making a prediction, but simply where my mind goes when thinking about the dynamics.
 
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Blazin

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Could do a tldr of "bitcoins success could be its undoing" of a four hour discussion. Just not sure this is a good media for the interplay there is a lot of dynamics some rather nebulous and it can get lost in the weeds rather easily.

A bullet point would be, bitcoin adoption is best served by strong but steady pacing. The faster the train goes the more it risks derailing, and not from the dynamics that one would normally attribute to failure
 
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While I am not on the crypto train, there is something to be said for evolving investment instruments. Not that I am saying crypto is, in fact, one of them. We discuss the zombie companies staggering around the small and mids, but we also have zombies in the megacaps. JNJ is one of the largest companies on the planet. Been around forever. Lets look at the 5-year chart. Almost 5 fucking years and its right back where it was. That big 3% dividend is some great reward for the half decade hold, huh? I think this is one of the detrimental side effects of indexes. Investors should be screaming at the boards of these giant turds demanding change but they have no voice because the Mutuals and ETFs hold all the voting power and they don't give AF.

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ps... Yes I am plumbing the depths trying to find something investible and its really fucking hard. So much shit floating around out there.
 
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Blazin

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Sorry for another post on it just too much of this occupying the mind today. Forget established prejudices about current investment vehicles, but just rather plainly. One of the ways society has improved standards of living is by making wealth more transferrable. Again a bitcoin strength it's easily moved, but is it too strong? Humans are not equal in either talent nor opportunity. We don't like fiat currency because it allows nations to easily move wealth, steal wealth, transfer wealth. What if we took that away. Wealth inequality is already an issue in our society bitcoin has a less talked about potential of increasing it. It's the flip side of "they won't be able to rob me of my wealth" okay great so where might that lead?

I would love an Adam Smith book on bitcoin, he would be disconnected enough to not care about some of the silly points but from a very macro point of view there are potential problems that could be significant and all rooted in the perceived "strengths"
 
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It's a thought exercise about scarcity. We understand the normal dynamics of scarcity rather easily, it's less thought of on the flip side. It's good for in demand things to be scarce but not TOO scarce , one of bitcoins strongest pillars is its scarcity and it may also be its undoing. I'm not going to insult the IQ of crypto community because I know there are some very bright and talented people involved but our vulnerabilities that most catch us off guard can come from a perceived strength. I'm not going to get too philosophical with this nor am I making a prediction, but simply where my mind goes when thinking about the dynamics.
I see. So I won't sperg out in this thread too much as I try to keep this stuff in the Bitcoin thread, but I would say that scarcity in the context of Bitcoin is quite different than something like water. Its true that there is a finite and ever decreasing total amount of available Bitcoin supply (lost wallets/keys would theoretically be destroying max possible supply constantly). However the negative aspects of a capped supply can be largely negated if one allows for a couple assumptions;

1. Bitcoin is infinitely divisible (it is)
2. The network continues to function
3. Transactions can continue, via L1 or otherwise, with an ever decreasing amount of available supply and an ever increasing monetary value.

If you're willing to accept these assumptions then Bitcoin will continue to serve its primary purpose, un-censorable, permission-less, self-sovereign medium of exchange. Accretive USD value is just a consequence of Gresham's Law (bad money is spent to hoard good money). Stated another way $ value of Bitcoin as a "reserve asset" or savings vehicle is just a temporary state of transition between systems of account.

IMO, we're living inside a system thats being eaten by another system so its really hard to see beyond that event horizon. Your point about this happening too fast however is well taken and I completely agree. It is better for everyone involved if this occurs over 20-30 year rather than 2-3. Wealth inequality will likely be MUCH worse the faster this goes. However Bitcoin is probably better distributed than any monetary system in history as far as being "fair". The gold was never distributed evenly, but the rich inevitably squander their advantage (see Spain after they retrieved massive wealth in gold from the Americas early on). Bitcoin won't be any different... but it might be tough for a while.

Worth remembering too that goods and services are still required and desired and will be paid for. We're going through the Gresham phase where essentially nobody is spending the "good" money, but it doesn't last forever. Also some of the stuff I expect Trump and his team to do (reducing 'crypto' regulation, enabling Stablecoins, etc) is going to significantly boost the dollar and slow down this whole process. For USD holders at least, good luck everyone else.

EDIT: If the concern is inflationary currency vs an effectively deflationary (or at least ever decreasing inflation rate until finally 0% inflation in supply) its a good point as its entirely new. Jeff Booth has done a fair amount of work on this topic which is outlined in his book Price of Tomorrow
 
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NVDA volume at 4:01pm tick was 16m shares. Total for the entire trading day was 240m

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Yeah, earnings happening....

There's a few good tech side "bellweathers" reporting this week as I recall. NVDA, PANW, and Snowflake off the top of my head.

Example, PANW. Rocket up into close, just to drop the floor like Evel Kinevil trying to jump a canyon on a rocket bike... (15 min chart)
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They also announced an upcoming 2:1 split.
 

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Magicians ruin everything. Dr.Retarded Dr.Retarded thanks for that word.
Pretty sure Gravel Gravel started it, and I'm just carrying the torch. Got to give credit where credit is due. It came from that Goofy Twitter video of some famous rap lady who is getting interviewed by some retard liberal, and the interviewer said something along the lines of what do you find great about being a musician or when did you become the musician.

The noggress responded angrily and said what did you call me, a magician, I ain't no goddamn magician, and she just didn't understand the word musician. It's pretty hilarious, but also soul crushing to know that dumb retarded magician will make more money than probably the vast majority of us. I don't remember who it was cuz I don't know who the hell they were to begin with.
 
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