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Jysin

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Everything is participating. Notably, IWM outperforming SPY and QQQ. Nice and inclusive rally.

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Palum

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I wonder how much investor money she set on fire?
There's a surprising number of tech adjacent businesses in this category where there's an absolute market cap and no plan to be profitable at it or work how to change business models when you have to actually make revenue instead of take speculators money.
 
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Khane

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There's a surprising number of tech adjacent businesses in this category where there's an absolute market cap and no plan to be profitable at it or work how to change business models when you have to actually make revenue instead of take speculators money.

Same as it ever was. Though I'd just call it tech in general, not tech adjacent.
 

Palum

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Same as it ever was. Though I'd just call it tech in general, not tech adjacent.

Yea I just don't know if they ever had the investment or the real chance of hitting it like they have in the last 5 or so years. So it was always tomorrow's problem, now its todays.
 

Cad

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You know how they have that bitcoin roller coaster gif up and down? Do we have one of those for the broader stock market?
 

Siliconemelons

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Let me consult my expert

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Imma gonna quote some real smart guy to answer your question...

Tossed in 1k just after the slight up tick, based on the real smart guy advice thats right always half the time lol

Making the recovery tick up a bit faster :)

I still got straw hands and need to just delete the app so i don’t watch it or something and come back if I like need the money for something lol

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Blazin

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Need a few days of SPY now holding above 200d, QQQ still has some more work to do. Lots of charts improved today but still more to improve. Still vulnerable to falling apart.

Some big numbers today less fun though when its largely making up ground. Was a little larger rally today than I'd like to see in a single day, bear market rallies are steeper and shortlived. Slow and consistent grind higher will have better sustaining power.
 
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Sanrith Descartes

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Was chatting with Grok about LLMs/Chatbots and the potential impact on GOOG revenue.

Yes, several articles and analyses have explored the potential impact of large language models (LLMs) and chatbots on Google Search and, by extension, Google's online advertising revenue. These discussions often focus on how LLMs, such as those powering ChatGPT or Google's own Gemini (formerly Bard), could disrupt traditional search engine dynamics and the advertising ecosystem that relies heavily on search traffic. Below is a summary of key insights from such research and commentary, based on available information:
Shift in Search Behavior and Revenue Concerns:
Articles like the one from Northeastern University News (May 28, 2024) suggest that Google's integration of AI features, such as AI Overview, might keep users on Google's homepage longer, potentially reducing clicks to external websites where ads are typically displayed. This could "cannibalize" Google's ad revenue stream in the short term, as noted by John Wihbey, an associate professor of media innovation. With Google generating $237.86 billion in ad revenue in 2023, any shift away from traditional search result clicks could pose a risk to this model.

Cost Implications of LLM Integration:
Research highlighted in sources like Measured.com (March 6, 2023) points out the high operational costs of running LLMs for search. Morgan Stanley estimated that an AI-driven search answer costs about seven times more than a traditional search, potentially adding billions in operating expenses for Google if LLM usage scales significantly. This could pressure profit margins, especially if ad revenue doesn't adapt quickly to new formats.

Advertising Model Evolution:
The Funnel.io article (May 16, 2023) discusses how AI chatbots might reduce website traffic by providing direct answers, bypassing traditional search result pages with ads. This shift could force a pivot from click-based ads to new formats, such as in-chat advertising or subscription models. Similarly, AdRoll.com (October 3, 2024) notes that while Google's Search Generative Experience (SGE) includes ads in 73% of cases, the absence of ads in 27% of AI snippets hints at a potential revenue gap unless new monetization strategies emerge.

Competitive Pressure and Market Dynamics:
Entail.ai (June 12, 2024) explores how competitors like ChatGPT and Microsoft's Bing (enhanced with OpenAI tech) challenge Google's dominance. However, it argues that Google's ad revenue is likely to remain stable due to its entrenched market share (over 84% as of 2022) and innovations like Gemini, which could integrate ads into conversational responses. This suggests a resilience in Google's model, even as LLMs grow in prominence.

Long-Term Implications:
ConsortiumInfo.org (June 13, 2023) raises broader concerns about LLMs summarizing content without linking to sources, potentially reducing traffic to ad-supported sites and threatening the web's economic ecosystem. This could indirectly affect Google's revenue if fewer sites remain viable to bid on ads.

These articles collectively indicate that while LLMs and chatbots present both opportunities and challenges for Google Search, the impact on advertising revenue hinges on how Google adapts its monetization strategies. Researchers and commentators generally agree that the traditional search-and-click ad model may evolve, but Google's vast infrastructure and ongoing AI investments (e.g., Gemini, DeepMind) position it to mitigate significant losses. No definitive consensus exists yet, as the technology and its adoption are still evolving, but the topic has been widely studied and debated in both academic and industry contexts.
 

Jysin

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I tend not to like playing a beta broker app when I am moving my size in trades. I am sure it is fine, but I err on the side of caution and waiting for the full release.
 
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Sanrith Descartes

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I loaded it up but just was too many things I wasn't able to set up the way I like. WIll try it again
After the 15th I was gonna dedicate some time to playing with it. I downloaded it, opened it and was like hmm, this isn't just a tweak of the current ATP.
 

Gravel

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Anyone have any ideas of the best way to time a transfer? In this case it's from my TSP to tIRA at Vanguard. It's something I've been meaning to do forever, but it's so hard because I imagine it'll take a week or two to complete, and I always fear it'll be right before we rip off a 10% gain. My current thoughts would be right around when we regain 6000-6100.

It's a tough one because TSP limits your ability to transfer, so I basically get one shot to do all of it. And I need to transfer it sometime in the next year or two to continue our Roth conversion ladder.

I know in the long run it doesn't matter too much, but I'm a bit sensitive to it since we retired right before the bear hit in early 2022.
 

Blazin

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Anyone have any ideas of the best way to time a transfer? In this case it's from my TSP to tIRA at Vanguard. It's something I've been meaning to do forever, but it's so hard because I imagine it'll take a week or two to complete, and I always fear it'll be right before we rip off a 10% gain. My current thoughts would be right around when we regain 6000-6100.

It's a tough one because TSP limits your ability to transfer, so I basically get one shot to do all of it. And I need to transfer it sometime in the next year or two to continue our Roth conversion ladder.

I know in the long run it doesn't matter too much, but I'm a bit sensitive to it since we retired right before the bear hit in early 2022.
Low vix, so maybe 16s or lower
 
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