IT/Software career thread: Invert binary trees for dollars.

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I make a lot of money. Way more than most Americans. Way less than the probably made up salaries of everyone else who posts on rerolled. I'm not going to forsake my personal happiness and the great job I have just so I can hop ship and make 15k more a year. Being happy every day of my life, knowing exactly what is coming down the pipe for me at work, being familiar with work, enjoying the technologies I work with, enjoying my work/life balance is all worth more than a bump just so I can try and impress some people with how much money I have and earn.
I'd actually prefer not hopping around, but right now I'm feeling a little under appreciated. Also all I care about is making enough that my wife doesn't need to work and we can live comfortably. I don't need a [made up salary] amount.
 

Deathwing

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I tell myself the same thing, then the house needs repairs, or you could pay a loan off early, or put more money away for retirement or the kid's college fund. I'm happy and relatively comfortable/safe with the amount of money I make now, but I could easily double it and find non-frivolous usage for all of it.

Since we're in the comp sci thread, I see something like "[made up salary]" and think lists. Is this common programming syntax or just Python? Never saw it before this job, where I first used Python.
 

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I'd actually prefer not hopping around, but right now I'm feeling a little under appreciated. Also all I care about is making enough that my wife doesn't need to work and we can live comfortably. I don't need a [made up salary] amount.
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I'd actually prefer not hopping around, but right now I'm feeling a little under appreciated. Also all I care about is making enough that my wife doesn't need to work and we can live comfortably. I don't need a [made up salary] amount.
Its nice to have the wife at home, I can't get mine to quit even though I've tried. Even though she's at home, you'll need child care eventually so that she's not 24/7 kid duty.

Then depending on where you live you might need private schools. You might need to move into an expensive neighborhood to get decent public schools. Then they get older and want iphones, ipads, computers, cars, and to go to college.

None of that shit is cheap!

There's a huge difference between getting by when you're just 2 adults or 2 adults and an infant vs. 2 adults + 2-3 teenagers/school needs. Don't discount that and short-change yourself because you think you're content now. Your expenditures do nothing but go up.
 

Tenks

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I tell myself the same thing, then the house needs repairs, or you could pay a loan off early, or put more money away for retirement or the kid's college fund. I'm happy and relatively comfortable/safe with the amount of money I make now, but I could easily double it and find non-frivolous usage for all of it.

Since we're in the comp sci thread, I see something like "[made up salary]" and think lists. Is this common programming syntax or just Python? Never saw it before this job, where I first used Python.
I think its growing common. I know Groovy uses the [1,2,3] syntax to define a list as well.
 

Tenks

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Well java arrays are like String[] array = new String[]{"1","2","3"}

A list in groovy is like List list = [1,2,3]
 

Noodleface

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Its nice to have the wife at home, I can't get mine to quit even though I've tried. Even though she's at home, you'll need child care eventually so that she's not 24/7 kid duty.

Then depending on where you live you might need private schools. You might need to move into an expensive neighborhood to get decent public schools. Then they get older and want iphones, ipads, computers, cars, and to go to college.

None of that shit is cheap!

There's a huge difference between getting by when you're just 2 adults or 2 adults and an infant vs. 2 adults + 2-3 teenagers/school needs. Don't discount that and short-change yourself because you think you're content now. Your expenditures do nothing but go up.
Private schools, a nanny, expensive electronics, expensive neighborhood - that's just you moving up for the sake of moving up. Are you saying you couldn't live in a $250k moderately sized house in a good neighborhood? Certainly you could, but you choose not to.
 

Khane

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Now that I think about it, it's curly braces in C# too. Just square brackets when you are declaring the variable.
 

Cad

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Private schools, a nanny, expensive electronics, expensive neighborhood - that's just you moving up for the sake of moving up. Are you saying you couldn't live in a $250k moderately sized house in a good neighborhood? Certainly you could, but you choose not to.
Anything is possible I guess. A lot of the things in life aren't "necessary". I guess hard work isn't either.
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Hard work != luxuries. You just choose to utilize your wealth that way.
Anything above subsistence is luxury spending on some level. If you're alive, the rest is just keeping you alive in various levels of comfort.
 

Tenks

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You act like I'm working a fucking slave wage. I get paid more where I am (according to Glassdoor) than I would if I jumped ship to anywhere else in the area. My boss has already put me in for another promotion which would put me 1 level below Architect which there are only about 10 of in the entire company. Could I possibly have jumped around from company to company and landed somewhere by now making 100k? Yeah, probably. Especially if I jumped ship immediately after becoming proficient in Hadoop ecosystem like many of my other co-workers. But it wouldn't be close to the area I like to live and work in. I had a job offer to work downtown for more money but I didn't take it. Because I don't want to drive downtown. That frustration 200+ days a week isn't worth 15k to me. Just because you "don't get" something doesn't mean it is wrong. It means you differ of opinion and you find grasping from vine to vine to be your thing. Great. Good for you. It isn't mine. So don't act like I'm doing the entire race of software developers some massive disservice or I'm acting like some software developer scab keeping the entire industry down because I am apparently working for pennies on the dollar.
 

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Just from listening to people talk, I would argue that most the people in this thread are probably better developers than I am. The only difference is I understand my worth and demand it... I'm pushing towards 7 figure salaries for doing the SAME JOB as you guys, I work LESS hours, I actually produce less total! As a community of peers I'd really encourage you guys to not let yourselves get taken advantage of.
I was totally with you lecturing Tenks on not getting taken advantage of and demanding what he was worth until you got to this 7 figure salary thing. Don't demand that...
 

Tenks

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I also want to know where these numbers come from in their worth to the company. Are they the ones actually putting the keystrokes down to actually bring the software up? Yes. But who told them to build it? Who gave them the requirements? Who fully vetted it? Who set up the hardware? Who set up the networking? Are all these people completely meaningless? Software doesn't magically appear in a vacuum. It requires management to give direction then eventually it gets down to developers to actually implement. Maybe the hardware guy will say "No I'm worth 100000x what I make because without me you wouldn't have any servers to run this software on!"
 

Deathwing

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Easier, MUCH easier, said than done, Celestien. There's likely a heavy dose of confirmation bias going on too. I almost feel like posting the Romney 'buy money' meme.

Why don't you fuckers just get taken advantage of less?