John Wick: Chapter 4 (2022)

Lenardo said:

end credit scene:

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end credit is Caine holding flowers walking towards his daughter playing the violin, view change Akira? Walking towards him with a knife...end scene.
questions Remaining
did John and Caine Plan on how the Duel Went, YEP.
is John Wick Actually DEAD? - in my opinion, No. my wife says yes. ending was vague enough it could go either way, but i lean towards no.
Is Winston John's Father, in my opinion, Yes. 1 Roma Ruska Tattoo on Winstons Hand and Winston Calls him(John) Son during the Final Scene.
is Caine Dead(after end credit scene ends part), that depends Provided Caine defends himself, he is alive and Akira? is either dead or heavily injured, if Caine does not defend himself, he is Dead and his daughter and Akira? are free. in my opinion, he will not kill her.

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I never picked up on the idea that Winston is John's father. In retrospect JW4 definitely gives that indication. Not really a spoiler because it doesn't lead to anything and is never stated. I do think it's heavily implied though, which puts a new spin on all the earlier movies if so.

It's also possible Winston just has a huge amount of respect for John. I'd need to see how he reacts to John in his earliest appearances in the series.

Also, one of the reasons I think JW4 is better than JW1 is that JW1 has an unnecessary "second third act" IMO. It should end when he slays Greyjoy and then goes and gets into a car. The camera kind of stutter-pans up into the sky just like the end of The Matrix, and every time I see JW1 for a second I think that's the end. Nope, instead we got another 15 minutes or so where DaFoe (a guy we like) gets tortured to death and then Wick goes after the dad in a car chase and they fight in the rain and the dad puts up way too good of a fight and it strains credulity. Just end the movie with Greyjoy, have the dad totally back off because Wick is so dangerous, he won't even TRY to avenge his son, end the movie.

Brahma said:

This was better than the last two IMO. Clearly not better than the 1st. They really over did Donnie Yen. Fucks sake he was better than John Wick!

Favorite scene was the Place de l'Etoile cars/fight.

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My favorite scene was the whole German club sequence with the gold-teethed Bond villain. Reminded me of the awesome nightclub scene in JW1, only now with a boss fight at the end.

Kirun said:

This movie was fucking excellent, but whoever said it's a "better movie" than The Matrix is fucking off their rocker. I think it was Rajaah ? It was entertaining as hell, but it isn't even as good as the first John Wick, let alone one of the absolute greatest movies of the past 30 years.

I really think they cut up the first half of the movie, because the editing, pacing, etc. is wonky as fuck in the beginning. It isn't really until around the Paris stuff that the movie starts finding its stride. Prior to that, I was concerned that people calling this "better than 2 and 3" were crazy.

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Pure action wise I'd put this movie above Matrix, JW1, or even The Raid.

Just rewatched the first 3 movies over two nights. JW3 feels like part two of JW2, and is better than I remembered. It gets going in the second half with the High Table assaulting the Continental. Wick's brawl with the two guys from The Raid was pretty solid, with him using his own belt as a weapon because he didn't have many options.

Angerz said:

I hope they dont make a Chapter 5. Chapter 4 is too good of an ending to the "John Wick" Chapters.

Assuming Ballerina is good (which will have John in it, cause its between 3 and 4), the franchise is ripe for spin offs. There are so many stories that could be told that we have heard snippets of.

I'd be happy if we never saw anything about them, but studios like money too much. How about a movie where we see why Caine, John and Shimazu were friends? Lets see them kill some fuckers in their individual styles. Even use Keanu, Donnie Yen and Hiroki Sanada. Shouldn't they be younger? Yeah, but fuck you, who cares.

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This is a lot like the F&F series. Furious 7 was the PERFECT end point for it. Then they made more of them. Are F&F 8 and 9 good? I mean, they have plenty of crazy action and they serve up what the audience wants. They aren't necessary though. The series gained nothing from their existence, and if it ended with Furious 7 it'd be looked back at very fondly now.

Hobbs & Shaw was a great spinoff movie we got after F7. Shoulda gotten more stuff like that. JW4 should be the last JW movie and from here they should do a couple spinoffs. But they won't, they'll do JW5 and 6 most likely, and they'll serve up all the action, but they'll also be very "mainstream" and not have the heart JW4 had. Same thing that happened post Furious 7 (which had all the heart).

Just my opinion. Forget JW5 and do "From the John Wick universe" spinoffs. Ballerina, Mr Nobody, Akira going after Caine. Can have Wick in them when it makes sense. Even a couple prequels would be cool. Like someone said already, Wick/Caine/Japanese guy fighting together in the past. And of course the "Impossible Task" would be a terrific prequel.

I just hate to see another series go the way of F&F and the 24 show by having them go on way too long with the main character dying and coming back over and over until it just kinda ends.

Saw this today, really really enjoyed it. Personally I thought 3 was really good and this might have been a bit better, still below 1 but I, to this day, get chills when I ever I see the 'Oh." seen.

Whole family loved it, definitely worth seeing in the theatre.