John Wick: Chapter 4 (2022)
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Easy, just don't watch it and then spend an hour scrolling past all the praising reviews on IMDB to cherry pick a few retarded ones.
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I don't think they suck they're just too over the top action. The first movie is just so damn awesome it's hard to keep up.
I think what makes 1 so great also is the emotional moments which are gone in 2/3. The Dog, Dafoe ect. Marcus is the best side character out of the films
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Yeah, I get very emotional whenever I think about the fact that in JW1 they murdered the only man on the planet who owned a sniper rifle.
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i'm starting to think John Wick just might be an asshole
Watched this yesterday along with D&D before super mario takes over, goddamn what a movie. That dragons breath hotline miami overhead scene was easily the best thing I've seen in a movie in a while. Sucks movies are shifting so fast, I'd love to go rewatch this next week in IMAX but nope, its a kids cartoon dominating until GOTG3.
100% day one buy for me and can't wait to rewatch at home. JW3 went a little overboard on adding more to the world, this movie mostly stuck with what we already know. Its still an insanely unbelievable world where apparently 50% of the economy is now assassination based, but who cares its fun and internally consistent. Its too bad we don't have a Hitman style game thats built around the John Wick lore.
Wonder which world it would be worse to live in, a Superman/Batman world where civilians die all the time as collateral damage or a John Wick world where sure, there are tons of assassins everywhere but there are also no cops at all, you can kill anyone anywhere and get away with it. Maybe being an IT guy to assassins wouldn't be too bad, and if you get paid in special coins you could probably live like a baller at the Continental
Watched this yesterday along with D&D before super mario takes over, goddamn what a movie. That dragons breath hotline miami overhead scene was easily the best thing I've seen in a movie in a while. Sucks movies are shifting so fast, I'd love to go rewatch this next week in IMAX but nope, its a kids cartoon dominating until GOTG3.
100% day one buy for me and can't wait to rewatch at home. JW3 went a little overboard on adding more to the world, this movie mostly stuck with what we already know. Its still an insanely unbelievable world where apparently 50% of the economy is now assassination based, but who cares its fun and internally consistent. Its too bad we don't have a Hitman style game thats built around the John Wick lore.
Wonder which world it would be worse to live in, a Superman/Batman world where civilians die all the time as collateral damage or a John Wick world where sure, there are tons of assassins everywhere but there are also no cops at all, you can kill anyone anywhere and get away with it. Maybe being an IT guy to assassins wouldn't be too bad, and if you get paid in special coins you could probably live like a baller at the Continental
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The no cops thing was something that came to mind while watching it. The only cop I recall in the entire series is the one in John's neighborhood from the 1st and 2nd movies.
By the 4th movie he's slaughtering people on the roundabout at the Arc De Triumph for 5 minutes and no cops show up at any point.
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Maybe the cops got Abolished at some point between the 2nd and 4th movies.
Funny how now people in TV media who were pushing that stuff are saying "no what we meant was reallocate funds to mental health instead of policing". Weird cause while I remember lots of "abolish police" signs I don't remember ever seeing a "reallocate funds to mental health instead of policing" sign anywhere.
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Just saw this. I think it was probably my least favorite in the series. I would rate them from best to worst in order of release. It was enjoyable for what it was, don't get me wrong, but it just felt like it lacked something compared to the first two. I can't put my finger on one thing, but in the last two movies, John just feels invincible. There's no tension. The bad guys don't feel like they have the upper hand at any point. Maybe everything is just too expanded. 1 was amazing. Even though it was over the top, it still had a realistic element to it. John Wick felt like a normal dude with amazing training and experience. 4 has jumped the shark so far in that regard. He's just an invincible super hero now. Fall out of a building 5 stories up? No problem. Point blank gunfight? No problem, just throw up your bat-cape and block all the bullets. Shootout around cars, or axe fight in a club? No problem, no one is afraid or runs. They leaned into the lore hard, but to me it takes away some of the mystique of a shadowy assassin world behind the scenes.
That said, it wasn't a bad movie. Just not up to the caliber of 1 or 2 or even 3. It had some amazing moments, like the Japan continental, the overhead scene, and the gold tooth club stuff, but overall meh.
That said, it wasn't a bad movie. Just not up to the caliber of 1 or 2 or even 3. It had some amazing moments, like the Japan continental, the overhead scene, and the gold tooth club stuff, but overall meh.
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Definitely better than 3 in every way.
Story wise I agree with 1 being the best. Not a fan of the "Here's a new villain who's never been mentioned before and apparently you can just challenge him to a duel to end everything" which seemed a bit lazy. But action porn wise 4 is pure fucking gold
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To be fair, they explained exactly in the movie why we haven't heard of him before.. he's an upstart who became the top enforcer of the High Table specifically because after the events of John Wick 3 the High Table felt threatened and he offered to terminate the threat for good.. so they gave him carte blanche to get rid of John Wick. The various parts in the movie where he is punishing past or current allies of John Wick is him doing the enforcer job of making sure no one is going to think of helping a rogue assassin like John Wick in the future. As for the duel, it was an old and mostly forgotten rule that the upstart marquis wasn't aware of, but the High Table adjudicator had to accept it once it was made official by Winston.
The John Wick underworld seems so vast and convoluted that I don't think seeing new threats is really surprising, especially since John Wick usually eliminates most of them in each movie so there's bound to be some replacements going on.
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Not sure what your point is exactly. Obviously they explained who he was and the duel thing, but they still hadn't ever been mentioned or even hinted at existing until this movie. Seemed like taking out the high table itself would be where they were going with it and had at least been mentioned as the end all since John Wick 2.
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I liked how completely over the top the series got. It reminds me of rhe Highlander universe, except with real-world explanations for why things are the way they are (as opposed to Highlander's "cause it's magic" explanations). Things like Holy Ground and being challenged to duels makes a lot more sense here. So as a Highlander fan I enjoy Immortal Wick.
But yeah, the first movie definitely felt more real and I understand why some people like it more.
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Was it ever even clear who the Marquis was? It seems like he is a member of the high table (why Wick can duel him) but he also gave off the vibe of the son of a Cartel/Mafioso leader kind of person.
The movies definitely do get a bit wonky with the world building, the nearly bald chick in JW3 was terrible as the Adjudicator or whatever, and the "Elder" aka towelhead in the desert was pretty fucking stupid. A single dude is apparently the leader of the worldwide crime syndicate and he lives out in the desert fucking his camels? Yeah, I know, it ties in to the hashashin aka ancient assassin mythology of a secret Islamic sect of killers (Assassins Creed did it better!) but it was pretty stupid. I'm not sure if they tried to tie it off in JW4 or not, it was awkward.
Still for the most part JW4 was better handling that stuff, we saw multiple continentals, the Kurgan served as the silent overseer who didn't meddle but just looked like a old bad motherfucker, but we still are pretty far removed from what the High Table is or how Wick would ever take it down. Apparently the character in the fat suit played by Adkins was on the high table too?
Its also kind of fucked up that everything really started because a relative of a member of the high table ORDERED Wick to kill his sister (who was in the high table!) using the marker Wick owed him. I mean, isn't it THAT dudes fault all this shit started? If going against the high table is so "bad" why is Wick in so much trouble instead of that dude, and wouldn't Wick killing him in the Continental be justified as a sort of "he tried to break the biggest rules, even bigger than no business in the hotel". Oh well, one of those movies you can't really ask too many questions.
The movies definitely do get a bit wonky with the world building, the nearly bald chick in JW3 was terrible as the Adjudicator or whatever, and the "Elder" aka towelhead in the desert was pretty fucking stupid. A single dude is apparently the leader of the worldwide crime syndicate and he lives out in the desert fucking his camels? Yeah, I know, it ties in to the hashashin aka ancient assassin mythology of a secret Islamic sect of killers (Assassins Creed did it better!) but it was pretty stupid. I'm not sure if they tried to tie it off in JW4 or not, it was awkward.
Still for the most part JW4 was better handling that stuff, we saw multiple continentals, the Kurgan served as the silent overseer who didn't meddle but just looked like a old bad motherfucker, but we still are pretty far removed from what the High Table is or how Wick would ever take it down. Apparently the character in the fat suit played by Adkins was on the high table too?
Its also kind of fucked up that everything really started because a relative of a member of the high table ORDERED Wick to kill his sister (who was in the high table!) using the marker Wick owed him. I mean, isn't it THAT dudes fault all this shit started? If going against the high table is so "bad" why is Wick in so much trouble instead of that dude, and wouldn't Wick killing him in the Continental be justified as a sort of "he tried to break the biggest rules, even bigger than no business in the hotel". Oh well, one of those movies you can't really ask too many questions.
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That always bothered me about the 2nd. Also, Winston's speech to the brother about how the high table doesn't control the continental and Winston runs the show was completely retconned in 3 and 4. Then blaming Winston because Wick isn't dead when it was The Adjudicator's job to kill him makes zero sense as well. Don't think they even mentioned the Adjudicator in number 4, so wtf happened there?
Possibly in some of the 45 minutes cut, but thinking about it there's a lot of holes in #4
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