I ended up getting a Gazelle 17” for dirt cheap from Ebay, it’s pretty decent over all. Battery isn’t stellar, but other than that and the speakers, which suck, its pretty good. Keyboard is a nice size for my big hands. Specs are great, 12th Gen I7, 32 DDr 4, mve pcie 4 1 tb, 3050 ti (dont care about the card). they’re coming out with a new Framework, I might end up buying one for the Lady. I’ve been fixing her and her families Macs for the past 4.5 years, but I told her I can’t fix the new ones. So she doesn’t want to own what will be a brick in 3-5 years. Only thing is they don’t have a home brew Linux w optimized drivers/firmware unlike 76, and I’m all about shedding Windows and OSX