League Of Legends

The risk of having your own jungler crippled is not worth keeping him available imo. I've been burned by nunu too many times not to think he's unbalanced right now. Who else to ban in place him? There are only a few no brainer bans going on right now...thresh and heca are the only ones that that come to mind. I would throw nunu in there too. You said you've one the last 5 games as nunu. A large part of that is likely due to you counterjungling with him. Not sure how you can say you're not afraid of him and also you're winning 100% makes sense.

If your capt has 1st pick and the other team didn't ban him, it's not hard to get him...

Nunu ganks okay. It's hard to get a kill if the other team doesn't make a mistake or is unwarded past the river. What he does insanely well is counter jungle and shut down lanes.

The Ancient_sl said:

What league are you playing at that would make their ADC get so many assists?

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In this particular case I was playing with a bunch of Gold/Platinum/Diamond players in my company's League of Legends tournament being run in association with Riot. I may be in Silver but apparently my MMR is high enough that I'm in the A league where all the Gold and above players are. There's a B for Silver/Bronze and a C league for people new to LoL. My primary job as ADC that game was to take down the towers while the team blocked for me.

I will say, I'm not looking forward to playing against the team that has a player in the Challenger tier

I'm in the mindset I'd just rather not deal with the dynamic he has and simply ban him.

After all the ripping on Wizard for his runes, I realized I probably should have bought some runes instead of Aatrox, who has given me a pretty bad case of buyers remorse. Then again I probably just suck with him and/or I'm building him wrong.

So tell me what runes I should be picking up. At this point I mostly do top and adc, occasionally get stuck with support.

Reds - AD, ArP, AS

Yellows - Armor, incomplete sets of AD, AP, and AS

Blues - Scaling MR, AP, incomplete set of AD

Quints - 3 move, 2 AD, 2 AP

I would recommend hybrid penetration marks, flat MR glyphs, gold per 10 quints, and getting the remaining AD and AP quints. For seals armor is all you are really going to use aside from very, very specific situations.

Wizardhawk_sl said:

Because I have all the champions up to riven unlocked, along with like 8 others out of the ones from riven to aatrox.

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Hence why you are in bronze.

Your excuses aren't helping your case at all, they just make you look even worse.
you - 'wah wah, getting promoted is all luck'
everyone - 'uhh.. you can do this, this and this to dramatically improve and hard carry more of your games to get out of bronze'
you - 'none of those things matter that much'
everyone - *blink*

You used all your IP to buy most of the champions, when hardly anyone who wants to move up in rank does that without a solid rune page (or two) for their main role(s) first.
Wait.. excuse me, that's not true.. Shitty bronze level players do that because they think they are good at a champion after playing them 3 times and having one game where they got super fed and steamrolled everyone.

When you watch a pro streaming who specializes in a certain role, such as Voyboy or Dyrus in top lane, they often have multiple rune pages for a single champion to help in specific matchups. 13ish more armor or MR against certain champs is the difference between snowballing or feeding. It's why someone like Pantheon mid is a pub stomper in solo queue, but shitty at higher level ranked or with pros, because a lot of mids will go with MR runes, no armor runes, and he punishes them early game for it. Plus, shitty mid players will build the same way rather then buy a cloth armor as their first item, because that's what they are 'comfortable' with.

Bronze just feels like there's more luck because every game snowballs one way or the other, so it feels like you had no control. 90% of games at that level can be decided by the 5 minute mark, or whoever gets the first 2 kills. A guy who 'feeds' likely isn't as bad as his score looks. Most of the time, the first kill or two was really close but some small misplay let the enemy get away with a sliver of health. So, they just got a kill, or two, behind and want revenge.. but they keep dying to the edge the enemy has on them now unless they get some additional help from another lane or jungler before it gets out of hand.

Play champions that are really good in the early game, play very aggressive, get first blood in the first 3 minutes consistently and see how much 'better' your teammates are overall now.

Also, DS theory ftw!

enzie_sl said:

Hence why you are in bronze.

Your excuses aren't helping your case at all, they just make you look even worse.
you - 'wah wah, getting promoted is all luck'
everyone - 'uhh.. you can do this, this and this to dramatically improve and hard carry more of your games to get out of bronze'
you - 'none of those things matter that much'
everyone - *blink*

You used all your IP to buy most of the champions, when hardly anyone who wants to move up in rank does that without a solid rune page (or two) for their main role(s) first.

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Stopped reading here because clearly you're just hopping on the wagon and not reading anything i've said (kind of like the guy who's played for a week and assumes I don't understand basic concepts of the game (never said I was a master at them. Once again, 99% of my playtime was before ranked even existed and half the runes out there today didn't exist either.

I've only ever said that the suggestions people have made would have 0 impact on the games that end 32 to 5 (90% of my games) and that if this happens during promo games then you can't do anything about it and you're stuck in bronze until you get lucky enough to be on the steamrolling team during your promo or get one of the rare games where you can make a difference.

Wizardhawk_sl said:

I've only ever said that the suggestions people have made would have 0 impact on the games that end 32 to 5 (90% of my games) and that if this happens during promo games then you can't do anything about it and you're stuck in bronze until you get lucky enough to be on the steamrolling team during your promo or get one of the rare games where you can make a difference.

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I guess what you aren't getting is that if it's rare that you make a difference in the games you can't possibly be at a much higher level than the other players you are playing with. If you were a lot better you'd be making a big difference more often.

Show me a replay of someone making a difference in a game where they lose at least 2 of the 4 lanes (and I mean lose them hard) who isn't a pro doing it on a smurf for viewers. Shouldn't be too hard to find one of a gold doing it because gold players are infinitely better than bronze, right? So far all we have are 2 or 3 people who said "I got out from bronze 4 in 50 games" which means simply 1 thing, they didn't lose any promo series due to steamrolls (which other people than me have already admitted are very common in bronze).

Top has three basic rune setups right now:

1.) AD quints, AD reds, defensive blues and yellows. This setup is the rush level 2 and all in the enemy laner. Usuable with champs like Lee sin, Riven, Renekton and Rengar.
2.) Lifesteal Quints, AD reds, defensive blues and yellows. This is the farm it out and I auto attack a lot setup. Tryndamere, Aaotrox, and Jayce are the champ styles that most often run this.
3.) AP quints, Magic pen reds, defensive blues and yellows. Standard for AP top laners like Ryze, Vlad, and Rumble.

You'll of course want to tailor the defensive runes to your lane opponent and your most likely gankers. Armor yellows and blues versus AD, Pure magic resist defensive vs heavy AP, armor yellows and magic resist blues versus a mixture or a hybridish champ like kennen.

Jungle runes are pretty standard for everyone;

AD jungler: Attack speed quints, AD reds, armor yellows, MR blues.
AP junlger: Attack speed quints, Magic pen reds, armor yellows, MR blues.

Some ad champs can run lifesteal quints effectively and certain none auto attack dependent early farmers like amumu will run move speed quints.

This of course doesn't take in to account tailored rune pages that only one champ would use.

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Give me your login info Wizard, I'll play top rengar/trynd or jungle udyr and get you to silver in a couple days. Then maybe you can stop whining.

Really just stick to a small pool of champs (and roles). You should be playing normals if you want to do things based on what you're feeling instead of knowing.

It's pointless to debate with you, you have a thick hollow skull.

Xalara_sl said:

At higher levels people are not nearly as afraid of Nunu as at lower levels. The primary reason being people know how to actually play. For example, the people in lanes generally know to collapse on Nunu when he invades.

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Well, unfortunately the conversation has moved back to how much Wizardhawk sucks, but I am currently Plat 4, have been as high as a promo match to Plat 2, and as best I can tell, I deserve to be here, "know how to actually play", and the people I end up playing with and against know how to play, too. If anything, I suspect nunu is left open more often at lower tiers because the captains just don't know better and/or ban to suit their lane strategy.

Here are Lolking's stat's on ban rates:


If that isn't an outlier, I don't know what is. As someone else mentioned, you can try to convince captain to leave him open, but I'm only personally doing it if we're first pick, and even then that guy is only so likely to care what you want.

Anyway, was surprised someone playing at Gold 1 was not only getting nunu but was getting him enough to have a collection of stories to share with us. That's all. The char is OP as fuck at all ELO's and deserves the ban rate above.

The Ancient_sl said:

I guess what you aren't getting is that if it's rare that you make a difference in the games you can't possibly be at a much higher level than the other players you are playing with. If you were a lot better you'd be making a big difference more often.

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Pretty much this. I'm still only doing normals atm, but im 7-1 so far. At least 3 of those wins I was positive were going to be a loss because my team got off to such an awful start, but I didn't rage at my team (much, i slipped once or twice), kept farming and either split pushing or jumping in on team fights, and I personally had a large stake in turning those 3 matches around, even if I didn't carry them entirely by myself. Hell, my last game I was convinced was going to be a disaster since we were at each others throats even in the lobby, and we had 2 adcs and no support or jungle, and were fumbling over what to do with the lanes right up to the last minute. Ended up sending trynd and cait bottom who bullied their lane around, and I went top as Shen with Varus while we zoned Malphite out completely. They surrendered just shy of the 25 minute mark, although the game was by no means won at that point.

Now I'm not gonna act like my sample of 8 normals means that if I did my placements right now I'd jump straight into Silver, but I'm confident that I wouldn't be stuck in Bronze for very long. Seems to me that the only thing you need to do to win at the lowest levels is to buy lots of wards and not be a retard. You don't even really need to know where to place them, I know my placement could use a lot of work, but just having them around will save so many ganks for both you and your teammates. There's more than one way to carry.

Wizardhawk_sl said:

Show me a replay of someone making a difference in a game where they lose at least 2 of the 4 lanes (and I mean lose them hard)

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Those videos rarely exist because when you are good and dominate your lane QUICKLY, you can go prevent another lane from getting that far behind you dipshit. The pros don't win just by going 9/0 on the same guy in their lane.. after 4-5 kills that guy isnt worth nearly as much. They get up a few kills, levels or a bunch of CS so they can easily stomp them 1v1, and then make plays that help the team. I highly doubt any pro in the world can literally 1v5 a team of average bronze players.

Simply going 3/0 and up 30 cs by the 15minute mark is too late and is not good enough to carry yourself out consistently. Even those shit players you rag on going 0/10 have games where they do that, which is why you are matched with them. Look up that feeders stats after one of those slaughters and I bet you'll see some games where they got fed and did the complete opposite. It all depends on if they got an early advantage or not in bronze. Players all think their champion is more OP then they are, especially AP/AD carries, and will put themselves in situation that they can only win if they are fed, like 3v1s.. because they only remember the time they WERE super fed and it worked. Help them get ahead and their dumb mistakes start looking like great plays.

Ideally, you need to get a kill, buy/heal, come back and force them out of lane again in the first 5 minutes, so you can then help counter jungle/gank other lanes/push to take the tower down/etc.. Use your time wisely and you'll be back in your lane shortly after your enemy returns to feed off them some more.

Only in the games where it's literally 8-0 spread across every other person on your team by the 5 minute mark do you not have a chance to change the outcome, but thinking those somehow happen often all the time is delusional. It's maybe one out of 50 games that I've ever seen my team lose that badly, that early, even in normals before I was level 30, years ago. Hell, that doesn't even happen in ARAMs when half the team is trolling cause they don't know the champ they are playing. It's generally only if a lvl 1 team jungle invade goes horribly wrong and each lane snowballs right from the start does that kind of loss happen.