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Enzee
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That's why I prefaced it with the fact they were most likely trolling, but I see a ton of people have a similar attitude even when someone is doing something legit. It looks like you were up a decent amount of gold at the end, even for being down 18 kills, though.
GuardianX
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Really been looking into playing a different mid / top that can carry games a tad easier in silver. FINALLY broke free from silver 5 and I know I CAN play things like yi (til the change at least) and akali but akali gets shut down hard if I have people camp my lane from akali fear.
I'm looking at Kassadin, renek but aside from them I don't really have much. People have been saying zed but I don't see his team fight potential aisde from singling out the adc / apc pre-fight.
Any champ suggestions would be nice.
I'm looking at Kassadin, renek but aside from them I don't really have much. People have been saying zed but I don't see his team fight potential aisde from singling out the adc / apc pre-fight.
Any champ suggestions would be nice.
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I was maining Akali (over 100+ ranked games) and even though she can get fed and carry, it gets harder and harder the later the game goes, which means there would be games I was stomping and have 15+ kills but still lost due to my team sucking. To remedy this, I decided to play champs that could practically win the game on their own. This includes for top lane: Tryndamere & Aatrox, split pushing animals that can never truly be shut down, even if your lane gets camped to death and you die 10x, once you get 1-2 major items built you are good to go and always have the ability to split push for the win. (I tend to help with team fights still, as opposed to the shitty Tryndameres that only split push and never team fight).
If not top lane, I'll attempt to grab nunu for jungle. His control of Baron is too good. Get Spirit of Spectral Wraith + Spirit Visage and go duo Baron with your top laner at the ~15-17min mark. Its rarely warded at this point and that 1500 gold at 15-17mins can really snowball the game. I've also picked up Udyr again so I'm up to snuff when the ultimate skin comes out. I've been doing great with him going 4-1 my last 5 games (the only loss coming from a DC). Udyr can do it all, including split push, tank, cc, etc. People complain he can be kited but imo he's a beast. He was my best performing champ in Season 2, but I had a crazy losing streak with him in Season 3 - was going top lane with him - now jungling again I'm making it work much better.
For mid lane Ill still pick Aatrox or go back to my Akali hoping for the best, I also enjoy Kha Zix but the assassin champs all suffer the same fate, you can get super fed but still need teammates to help, and they aren't very good at destroying structures, thats why I go Trynda or Aatrox to kill turrets/inhibs quickly. Use Aatrox's ult to down a turret or inhib very fast. Both Trynda and Aatrox can escape bad situations very well due to being able to spin or leap over walls.
Zed can split push like a monster so I will have to disagree on the all assassins can't destroy structures. I second Aatrox, he can be a monster and most low elo games won't counter him.
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I mean yea... Zed and even Kha Zix could split push but Trynd/Aatrox are +atk speed champs with high damage, you can decimate turrets/inhibs so fast, even with the enemy team nearby. Zed needs to be isolated, just like most champions. He can't burst them down as fast.
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Nah, BorK is like 4th item and not necessary.
Get Cutlass 1st, Statik Shiv, Berserker Greaves, IE, finish BorK... last 2 items are whatever, GA, hexdrinker, zephyr, etc. After you have Shiv/IE/BorK you can solo Baron. Cutlass early for sustain + slow.
Also go Lifesteal quints.
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Riven is also super fun and can snowball out of control very easily. Can even start red pot and all-in the instant you get level 2. Plus building pure damage on her also gives her great survivability from her shield (it scales from AD). You can delay boots to get the faster BT as well since she's so mobile. BT > Last Whisper > GA (or randuins) are basically the only three items you need. Once you get that core of items, keep stacking more BTs.
Anyone ever top lane with Nocturne? I was watching a few Wingsofdeath streams and he was using him top and doing really well with him. Obviously the guy is good and could probably make any champ work well but Noc was on sale so I tried it out last night.
Of course my game last night was against a duo top lane with Aatrox and Chogath. So yay 2v1, but I think I held my own. Noc is pretty fun and I fucked up his ult so many times.
Anyway, I'm kind of curious how a top lane item build would differ from a Jungle build.
Of course my game last night was against a duo top lane with Aatrox and Chogath. So yay 2v1, but I think I held my own. Noc is pretty fun and I fucked up his ult so many times.
Anyway, I'm kind of curious how a top lane item build would differ from a Jungle build.
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Top & Jungle have the most common champion pool. Basically anyone you play Top could also jungle. You won't see many APs, Supports or ADCs going into the Jungle. This is one reason why specializing in top/jungle is a good choice, you can use the same champion(s) for both. Nocturne excels as a jungler and is never really seen as a top laner - even though he could. Reason being is that his Ult is fairly worthless at top lane, it is a great ganking tool, he also has an AoE passive attack that basically pushes the lane automatically, which can be very bad in a lot of cases. You usually want to "freeze" the lane or keep it toward your side of the lane, Nocturne will end up pushing to the other side naturally which opens him up for ganks. So the fact his ult is pretty much useless in top & because he pushes the lane too hard makes him more of a niche pick top, you rarely ever see it.
With item builds it depends on the champion really, the main difference is that Junglers will start with Machete which means they will upgrade that to a Ancient Golem or Lizard Elder item, whereas top laners forego that item path entirely. Other than that, it depends on the champion and whether you are going to build offensively or defensively. Top-Lane Nocturne would probably go for a BotRK than maybe Black Cleaver followed up with some defensive items.
A great site to get item advice iswww.probuilds.net
Here is the Nocturne page, however they are all for a Jungle Nocturne specializing in a defensive build. Which would be normal for jungling.http://www.probuilds.net/champions/Nocturne
(Actually the player Kev1n seemed to play a top-lane Nocturne and went BotRK, Lizard Elder, Sunfire, Mercs, and was either building Black Cleaver or some defensive item next).
Note: The Lizard Elder item is seeing a lot more play by non-junglers these days. It's a standard item for Ezreal now, as example.
I'm completely aware of the first part of your response, and was looking primarily for how you would start top lane. For example, I've seen wingsofdeathx start with dorans blade, push lane, and B for pots and wards. I've seen people start pots and wards, then first B go Brut and boots then sunfire then cleaver. I've seen a few other things as well.
What I'm getting at, what is the appropriate level of mana regen, armor and AD and AS (if any) for Noc to be a successful bruiser and counter gank from top. I can completely see Noc pushing lane and using TP/Ult to support the team across the map. At least in the MMR normals I'm playing in normally.
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As an aside, I can't solo q normals at level 14 anymore. I've been playing with level 30s and higher level MMR players more consistently and since I'm only level 13/14 my solo q's put me in teams that run 3 ADC, 2/1/2 lanes where there is no support, or some other retarded configuration. I mean, really 2 ADC mid? It's just stupid and it won't let me practice top laning.
What I should do is go into the game with the purpose of just killing a bunch of people and snowballing but that doesn't allow me to practice a specific meta. Oh well, frustration.
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Hmm, well, if you're talking runes/masteries, that probuild.net website shows the runes/masteries and the item buying order too if you click on the pro's name. There are so many options really. I would say a very standard rune page is: AD Marks, Armor Seals, MR Blues, AD Quints, this is a generic rune set and works for practically any AD champion.
Masteries are usually always 21-9-0, some bruisers might opt for more defense and go 9-21-0 or something else. Nocturne is generally more offensive so I'd say 21-9-0 is what you'd want.
Starting items vary wildly. I usually go Longsword+2pots when I'm on Tryn/Aatrox because I want a quick Vamp Scepter. Sometimes I go Beads/ward/pots if I know Ill be getting harassed. Doran's blade is good if you plan to be very aggressive. Red Elixir is very risky. It cost 350 and it basically means you need to get first blood which would be 400 gold, you net +50 gold + free farm, which is definitely worth it, but very risky.
Aggressive Starts:
*Dorans Blade
*Red Elixir+ 2 Health Pots
Defensive Starts:
*Rejuv Beads + 1 ward + 5 Health Pots
*Cloth Armor + 5 Health Pots
*Boots + 4 Health Pots
Balanced Start:
*Longsword + 2 Health Pots