League Of Legends

Been thinking about getting Tryn lately, and look at that... he's on sale tomorrow.

I've had a lot of success duo queueing bot lane with a reliable partner because it remains a critical lane and you eliminatedthe possibility of 1 of the 2 laners being bad and wrecking what could have been a good player. It's counter to what you normally want to do when solo queueing which is stay the hell away from bot lane because it gives you the least amount of control(reliant on your partner as it is).

I was almost joking when I said that about MMR, I was playing with Eidal (Gold 3 I think) and my brother in law and we were matched up against a team that had all unranked and low games won (sub 100) except for one Silver IV while on my team was me (level 16) and all levels 30s, with 3x Unranked and two Golds.

Just looked odd to me.

Also, fucking last 3 games I played was against duo-top lane. Makes proxy farming hard since my tower is always pushed. I've usually gotten ahead though once the jungler is able to add pressure.

On Tryn:
Thanks for the advice. I really love the top builds where you can split push and put pressure on the map to keep the jungler on his toes. I enjoy that playstyle. Toss on the fact that Tryn can kill people, it makes it fun.

I can't wait until 20 so I can actually start using runes. Right now I've ignored runes to save IP for Tier 3. I guess I could grind ARAM for 20 but I don't have a lot of free time to solo q ARAM just for leveling sake. I have fun regardless right now so I'm not worried about it.

First post!! So, I am about 3 weeks into the ADC role and having a lot of fun with MF. Caitlyn is going on sale and I was just looking for some thoughts/feedback on her early, mid, and late game presents?

Caitlyn was by far my most played ADC. I absolutely love her compared to the others. She has so many tools at her disposable for doing things. Traps are OP

Draegan_sl said:

I was almost joking when I said that about MMR, I was playing with Eidal (Gold 3 I think) and my brother in law and we were matched up against a team that had all unranked and low games won (sub 100) except for one Silver IV while on my team was me (level 16) and all levels 30s, with 3x Unranked and two Golds.

Just looked odd to me.

Also, fucking last 3 games I played was against duo-top lane. Makes proxy farming hard since my tower is always pushed. I've usually gotten ahead though once the jungler is able to add pressure.

On Tryn:
Thanks for the advice. I really love the top builds where you can split push and put pressure on the map to keep the jungler on his toes. I enjoy that playstyle. Toss on the fact that Tryn can kill people, it makes it fun.

I can't wait until 20 so I can actually start using runes. Right now I've ignored runes to save IP for Tier 3. I guess I could grind ARAM for 20 but I don't have a lot of free time to solo q ARAM just for leveling sake. I have fun regardless right now so I'm not worried about it.

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MMR is further complicated by the fact that Normal MMR and Ranked MMR are tracked separately, so there's a lot of Platinum-Diamond players that have the ELO of Silver players in Normals since they never play them.

How about some Teemo!




Cait is a good pick up though. Her long range is really forgiving when you're first learning and easily lets you outplay a lot of lanes with poke. She scales well and is still a beast late game as well. Her range and her kit make her one of the easier ones to kite on too.

Did I see a fat Lux in there?

Wizardhawk_sl said:

When i'm playing with my brother (99% of my ranked games) it goes like that. I'm the captain in almost every match and he's always near the bottom. You guys should play some bronze 4 games and stuff tho before you say it's easy to win by winning your lane, or even winning top + mid both. Can't do much if you go 14/2 mid and your bot lane is 0/17 combined and 100cks behind.

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I plan to test this theory soon. I'm pretty damn convinced I'll win 80 percent of games in bronze, going to start playing ranked on one of my bronze friends accounts soon and I'll keep a log of how it goes and my perception of carrying in bronze. For what its worth, platinum/diamond/challenger players frequently smurf in silver/gold and carry 80percent or more. Its utterly embarrasing how much better they are than the lower divisions.

edit: People have selective memory. You remember the games that you couldn't have won (because of insert reason here) but forget games that your team carried you. You remember games where you had the AFK but forget games where the other team had an AFK resulting in 20min forfeit. A GOOD win rate is 55 percent. This will show slow and steady improvement. You aren't supposed to be utterly demolishing your games and if you were, then you wouldn't be bronze.

Of course, since you're a player genuinely concerned about improving his game (instead of making excuses), surely you've saved your recent games using lol replay and review them after game and document mistakes or things you could have done better. Right?

I thought so.

If you WANTED to do this, I'd be glad to review it with you because I GUARANTEE you every minute you are doing stupid shit that you dont' even realize, and if someone pointed it out to you a light bulb would go off. I've offered this to at least 5 bronze guys who bitch about it being impossible to carry and no one ever takes me up on it... something tells me a significant amount of gold players would love to have a platinum/diamond player review their games. I sure would.

Double edit: Bronze 2 puts you above the majority that play ranked. Not sure what silver is but gold is top 4-5 percent. If you aren't working hard on improving your game then why would you feel entitled to being in the top 25 percent? I'm not trying to single you out, but I think people have this crazy idea that if they just PLAY MORE GAMES then they will improve. That only gets you so far.

Whole bunch of people taking this solo queue business waaaaaaaay too seriously.

Eidal_sl said:

I plan to test this theory soon. I'm pretty damn convinced I'll win 80 percent of games in bronze, going to start playing ranked on one of my bronze friends accounts soon and I'll keep a log of how it goes and my perception of carrying in bronze. For what its worth, platinum/diamond/challenger players frequently smurf in silver/gold and carry 80percent or more. Its utterly embarrasing how much better they are than the lower divisions.

edit: People have selective memory. You remember the games that you couldn't have won (because of insert reason here) but forget games that your team carried you. You remember games where you had the AFK but forget games where the other team had an AFK resulting in 20min forfeit. A GOOD win rate is 55 percent. This will show slow and steady improvement. You aren't supposed to be utterly demolishing your games and if you were, then you wouldn't be bronze.

Of course, since you're a player genuinely concerned about improving his game (instead of making excuses), surely you've saved your recent games using lol replay and review them after game and document mistakes or things you could have done better. Right?

I thought so.

If you WANTED to do this, I'd be glad to review it with you because I GUARANTEE you every minute you are doing stupid shit that you dont' even realize, and if someone pointed it out to you a light bulb would go off. I've offered this to at least 5 bronze guys who bitch about it being impossible to carry and no one ever takes me up on it... something tells me a significant amount of gold players would love to have a platinum/diamond player review their games. I sure would.

Double edit: Bronze 2 puts you above the majority that play ranked. Not sure what silver is but gold is top 4-5 percent. If you aren't working hard on improving your game then why would you feel entitled to being in the top 25 percent? I'm not trying to single you out, but I think people have this crazy idea that if they just PLAY MORE GAMES then they will improve. That only gets you so far.

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I don't have to save replays to know when I make mistakes and what I did wrong, I usually know as soon as I do it. I didn't realize gold was top 5%, that makes it not so bad. I have been moving up slowly (got placed in bronze 3, spent the first 60ish games getting reacquainted to LoL after a very extended break to play Heroes of Newerth) but I started playing Smite now so haven't been on League in a couple weeks.

I know # of games means nothing as far as skill but there is only so much you can do as 1 man. Can't win every lane by yourself, can't stop your adc from having no idea how to last hit or play in general, etc. Maybe part of my problem is that I usually try to respect my teams requests for lanes and fill roles when I should just pick the supermen and try to muscle it out every time but meh, I like playing all the champs.

Arbitrary_sl said:

Whole bunch of people taking this solo queue business waaaaaaaay too seriously.

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I take it serious because I don't have a 5man premade to play with.

Back before Riot issued out rulings against "boosting" and suspending/punishing players, I played on a friends account who at the time, was bronze 3 with a pretty shit MMR. Played jungle and went something ridiculous like 22-3, got into silver, skipped silver 4 entirely and then stopped at halfway through silver 3. I think in lower ELO's jungle *can* be one of the best ways to carry yourself out if you're a much higher player. Because you can essentially put other lanes so ahead, that the players on the other team just don't know how to defend/turtle against. And you get to make a lot of the objective calls if you lead, when to do dragon/baron etc. Of course, any role can easily carry, but I think jungle (prolly mid too in this regard) has so much roam all over the map that you can punish every lane. You won't win every game - I ran into a "Garen ADC" with teleport ignite going bot lane that worked out awful, but you should win a majority of them. At the end when i got the account to silver 3 i was matching up against Gold 5's/Silver 1's etc so the mmr got drastically boosted with like the 90% win ratio i had.

If your duo queue partner is pretty good, I've found my best success is splitting up the lanes you're in (therefore usually winning both a majority of the time) really increases your chances of winning the match. I've seen too many duo bots lose the game due to a lot of factors outside of their influence. Unless they're a strong pushing lane and can take bot tower early/roam, it's hard to really make effective plays duoing bot outside of dragon pit.

Golt_sl said:

You won't win every game - I ran into a "Garen ADC" with teleport ignite going bot lane that worked out awful, but you should win a majority of them.

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In one of my failed promo series to Bronze 1 the first game was just a total defeat, one of those 28 to 4 type games at 15 minutes. The second game I had a (assumed) duo running revive. One was a rammus jungle, the other was adc vayne. Rammus went 0/16 and the intentional feed was obvious, vayne went 2/14 altho admittedly wasn't as obviously feeding. Yay!

lindz_sl said:

How about some Teemo!

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God do I hate that bitch

Yeah mushrooms are annoying sometimes.

So I'm beginning my Bronze Project now. First game was a victory.

Pre-Game: Bronze III account; I was first pick and pick MF. I ask team for bans and end up banning Thresh/Amumu/Shen. Everyone on my team runs teleport except me. Morgana support.

Laning Phase: Quickly poke enemies down to 1/3rd health prompting my Morgana to tower dive a Trist/Alistair at lvl 2 and went into instant rage mode when I didn't "back her up". Enemy trist picks up a double kill, fortunately she doesn't push her lane out before backing and I pick up a considerable CS lead quite early. Around level 6 we win a trade and kill Alistair. Morgana promptly teleports top lane to do... not sure. Trist backs and I take her tower. Enemy ADC ended down on me 30-50 CS but 6/0/0. I was 2/3/1. Mental note: Cait/Vayne obviously much stronger ADCs for unknown games, must practice and play them more.

Mid Game: Trist isn't very good and her support is as retarded as mine so I have no problem pushing bot hard and take mid tower quickly because the rest of the players are doing god knows what up in top jungle. I continue to farm. Team loses some stupid fight in the jungle and gets mad that I'm farming at bot but I just type 'lol sry' and continue with my business. I take inner bot tower solo and die; team gets mad that I'm solo pushing bot but ends up taking two towers top since 4 enemies came to kill me. I'm up on Trist by 60 CS or so now and end up BT/LW/Boots/dorans/dorans. Enemy trist hasn't figured out that she needs a LW yet and Trist isn't very strong midgame. Since my team likes to pick stupid fights everywhere I follow them and we decisively win a fight top and take the inhib turret.

End Game: Enemy team sufficiently demoralized at this point that we won with no real cohesion.

Key Notes:

Bronze ADC cs'ed better than I expected, but didn't trade very well.
Don't expect anything from the support.
ADC had no concept of lane dynamics and would B at the absolute wrong time.
Team will do dumb shit constantly but enemy team will as well.
Split-push if you have the lead, enemy team may not contest it OR send everyone which is less time they have to feed off your team.
What may be the optimal play must be weighed against how much rage you will accumulate amongst your team for not feeding in mid with them instead of split-pushing. Bronze players love the rage. Its MF's fault why they lost that 4v4 at tower.
Junglers seemed to alternate between bad ganks and failing to farm. A strong jungler in this division will kill everyone.
ADC needs to buy wards. Developed the expectation that my support would ward for me and this is not true in Bronze.

Final Notes: Ended 7/6/8 with a considerable gold lead on everyone. Did nearly 2x as much damage as anyone in the game.
Final conclusion: Play Cait/vayne for ADC; better control either early game or late game. Play jungle if possible. Hecarim wasn't banned in my first game.

Mind adding in what the other players on your team scored (in the future if it's too late for that one)?