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Khane

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It's actually smart business on their part. Fly a small town "gamer nerd" out to sunny California for his "dream job". Obviously Arbitrary isn't retarded but there are A LOT of people who play LoL who would have considered that a dream come true. People are stupid and companies like Riot take advantage of that stupidity.
 

bixxby

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My whole disbelief in this is that they actually flew you out for a really shitty QA job. That shit doesn't happen, and for them to just say "meh not enthusiastic enough" is retarded. I wonder what kind of enthusiasm they wanted? Maybe they wanted blow jobs.
A friend of mine was flown out for something similar. He said he interviewed all day with a bunch of different people/teams to try to find a place for him, and the whole thing was shit.
 

Amzin

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It's actually smart business on their part. Fly a small town "gamer nerd" out to sunny California for his "dream job". Obviously Arbitrary isn't retarded but there are A LOT of people who play LoL who would have considered that a dream come true. People are stupid and companies like Riot take advantage of that stupidity.
I think it's giving them too much credit to say it was intentional like that. It sounds more like they were throwing their new found wealth around as part of their mass hiring process and didn't really know wtf they were doing. Good that they've changed things up, but for a job at that level it's 100% a waste of their money, there's literally thousands of people within driving distance of them that would be giddy to get that 10.75 job. Flying some one across the country and expecting them to be psyched for an almost poverty-level wage in a company that's exploding in size is stupid, at best. My company covered my travel expenses when they interviewed me (and the other interviewees from the same day) but our entry-level positions required a 4-year degree and started at 45k in a midwestern cost-of-living environment. And even then the moving and transition costs are brutal. I can't imagine doing that for such a terrible amount of money.
 

Khane

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I think it's giving them too much credit to say it was intentional like that. It sounds more like they were throwing their new found wealth around as part of their mass hiring process and didn't really know wtf they were doing. Good that they've changed things up, but for a job at that level it's 100% a waste of their money, there's literally thousands of people within driving distance of them that would be giddy to get that 10.75 job. Flying some one across the country and expecting them to be psyched for an almost poverty-level wage in a company that's exploding in size is stupid, at best. My company covered my travel expenses when they interviewed me (and the other interviewees from the same day) but our entry-level positions required a 4-year degree and started at 45k in a midwestern cost-of-living environment. And even then the moving and transition costs are brutal. I can't imagine doing that for such a terrible amount of money.
You're missing the point I am making. 10.75 in Santa Monica is not really a livable wage. People in Santa Monica know this, because they live there. People in bumfuck USA do not know this because 10.75 is a good living for them wherever they are. You are right, it's a terrible offer that no reasonably intelligent person would even consider. But they weren't looking for someone reasonably intelligent. They were banking on finding a mildly retarded gaming enthusiast who would just be happy to be working for the company that makes their favorite game... League of Legends. Flying him out there cost them peanuts.

I went out on a few dates with a girl who was a major sports enthusiast and wanted more than anything to work in sports entertainment. There is a local minor league baseball team here in New Britain CT called the Rock Cats. The Rock Cats called her and offered her a job that would require about 50 hours a week and was salaried at $18k/yr. You needed a bachelor's degree for this position. She was actually considering taking it because it would "get her foot in the door". Why the fuck would any sane person take that job? It isn't even enough to cover student loans and still be able to eat and afford an apartment. But the position got filled at that rate.

I doubt the people at Riot didn't know exactly what they were trying to do in that scenario. Unfortunately for them Arbitrary isn't retarded and actually thought about the fiscal implications of the position.
 

agripa

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You're missing the point I am making. 10.75 in Santa Monica is not really a livable wage. People in Santa Monica know this, because they live there. People in bumfuck USA do not know this because 10.75 is a good living for them wherever they are. You are right, it's a terrible offer that no reasonably intelligent person would even consider. But they weren't looking for someone reasonably intelligent. They were banking on finding a mildly retarded gaming enthusiast who would just be happy to be working for the company that makes their favorite game... League of Legends. Flying him out there cost them peanuts.

I went out on a few dates with a girl who was a major sports enthusiast and wanted more than anything to work in sports entertainment. There is a local minor league baseball team here in New Britain CT called the Rock Cats. The Rock Cats called her and offered her a job that would require about 50 hours a week and was salaried at $18k/yr. You needed a bachelor's degree for this position. She was actually considering taking it because it would "get her foot in the door". Why the fuck would any sane person take that job? It isn't even enough to cover student loans and still be able to eat and afford an apartment. But the position got filled at that rate.

I doubt the people at Riot didn't know exactly what they were trying to do in that scenario. Unfortunately for them Arbitrary isn't retarded and actually thought about the fiscal implications of the position.
10.75 is living in Culver City with roommates. Making 23k a year sucks no matter where you are.
 

WhatsAmmataU_sl

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4 v 5 Diamond 2 win. Feels real nice.

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Gadrel_sl

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I had a similar experience interviewing for a clerkship for a medium sized law firm. I had been exchanging emails and had a telephone interview with the managing partner. He asks me to come in for a live interview but states it's really just a formality, that with my experience/GPA that I'm a shoe-in, they won't need to train me, I can hit the ground running, etc.

So, I get there for the live interview and the partner has been delayed in court, an associate will interview me. I get in there, and the first words out of this guy's mouth are, "We're hiring someone? I didn't think we were hiring." AKA, why is my frat buddy not interviewing?

He proceeds to not ask a single question and tells me to tell him about myself. I do. He asks if there's anything else, I say that I guess not. I don't hear back for a while so I email the managing partner who tells me that the live interview didn't go well so they hired someone else.
 

Eidal

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I had been playing Shaco since he came out and he's been a pretty disliked character for almost his entire history. Over time he got buggier and buggier and buggier so I put a bunch of footage together demonstrating everything that didn't work on him. This is S1 territory and at the time he was regarded as awful. He mostly was. His boxes were visible through the fog of war, his boxes wouldn't always fear, they didn't provide vision to some bushes, stealthed characters could see and reveal them, it was bad. I posted the video on the official forums and on SA and was told by Brackhar that he'd move it along. I was pretty happy with that.

A few weeks later I get contacted by one of Riot's engineers through my YouTube account and compliments me on the bug compilation and I half-jokingly ask if maybe I could get a Shaco skin out of it and he goes and unlocks every Shaco skin on my account (which is where I got my Nutcracko) and gives me a 10 game IP boost. Awesome customer relations stuff. I was pretty tickled at that.

Then a few weeks after that I get friended out of nowhere by one of Riot's QA people, Kismet, and he asks me if I had ever thought about applying for a job at Riot. I hadn't and he says that he thinks I should. We talk for a bit and I decide to go ahead and give it a try. This is a bottom of the rung QA position but I know people that turned those kind of basic jobs in the gaming industry into a career so I tell him I'll put together a resume. I send one out and that leads into a phone interview with Kismet. Then I have a phone interview with Veigar, the head of the department. I take some dumb online intelligence test and then I have another phone interview after that. They want to fly me out. They also will set me up for one day in a hotel room if I want but I don't really want to impose so I go with a same-day flight back home.

I fly out there and the first thing I do is I meet Morello and spend maybe 45 minutes talking with him about the game. I think he's a dick on the League forums and I hate his buzzwords but in the flesh he was very personable and fun to talk with. I'm told I'll talk with Veigar next. One of the other QA people comes in. Veigar is in a meeting and can't make it. This person doesn't know why I'm there. The interview starts to go poorly. He asks me questions like this -

"Alright, so I'm on the third floor and I send you a text asking for you to run me up a pencil to my office. Someone else sends you a text asking you for a pen and they are on the first floor. Where do you go?" He says "why did you apply to Riot? With a resume like this you could have applied...at any gaming company." He doesn't believe anything he just said. I don't have much experience in this situation and I don't know how to salvage it. From the moment I got there I have been trying to look and act as calm and professional as I possibly can. I try my best to answer the questions I'm asked but I freeze up when he asks me if I have an experience working on a team and I cannot think of anything. I completely forget my entire time in the Army. He tells me that next I'll talk with Kismet.

Then the woman who was my intermediary during all this, the human resources person, comes in and tells me that the interview process is over and puts my on a cab back to the airport. My flight isn't for 13 hours. I buy a copy of Full Dark No Stars by King to try and stay awake and it is god awful.

No one had any idea who I was or why I was there, I was flown 2000 miles to be asked the same kind of questions that I was asked when I applied for a job at Walmart, and after talking with two people for less than an hour and a half they were flying me back. I am later told that I wasn't enthusiastic enough about being there. The job paid less 11 dollars an hour. Eleven dollars an hour in Santa Monica.
Jesus christ -- post this on the LOL sub-reddit please.
 

kaid

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This is one reason I have not really tried to get a job in the industry a lot of the starting wages are really low in areas that have very high costs of living. I know some SOE folks who were doing the GM/QA kind of thing and they pretty much needed two or three roommates to make it out in cali on what they made.
 

drtyrm

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People should downvote it because anyone who has any corporate experience has heard a story like this. DeLLy sure spends a lot of time in this thread for someone who hates LoL & Riot.
 

Sutekh

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I had been playing Shaco since he came out and he's been a pretty disliked character for almost his entire history. Over time he got buggier and buggier and buggier so I put a bunch of footage together demonstrating everything that didn't work on him. This is S1 territory and at the time he was regarded as awful. He mostly was. His boxes were visible through the fog of war, his boxes wouldn't always fear, they didn't provide vision to some bushes, stealthed characters could see and reveal them, it was bad. I posted the video on the official forums and on SA and was told by Brackhar that he'd move it along. I was pretty happy with that.

A few weeks later I get contacted by one of Riot's engineers through my YouTube account and compliments me on the bug compilation and I half-jokingly ask if maybe I could get a Shaco skin out of it and he goes and unlocks every Shaco skin on my account (which is where I got my Nutcracko) and gives me a 10 game IP boost. Awesome customer relations stuff. I was pretty tickled at that.

Then a few weeks after that I get friended out of nowhere by one of Riot's QA people, Kismet, and he asks me if I had ever thought about applying for a job at Riot. I hadn't and he says that he thinks I should. We talk for a bit and I decide to go ahead and give it a try. This is a bottom of the rung QA position but I know people that turned those kind of basic jobs in the gaming industry into a career so I tell him I'll put together a resume. I send one out and that leads into a phone interview with Kismet. Then I have a phone interview with Veigar, the head of the department. I take some dumb online intelligence test and then I have another phone interview after that. They want to fly me out. They also will set me up for one day in a hotel room if I want but I don't really want to impose so I go with a same-day flight back home.

I fly out there and the first thing I do is I meet Morello and spend maybe 45 minutes talking with him about the game. I think he's a dick on the League forums and I hate his buzzwords but in the flesh he was very personable and fun to talk with. I'm told I'll talk with Veigar next. One of the other QA people comes in. Veigar is in a meeting and can't make it. This person doesn't know why I'm there. The interview starts to go poorly. He asks me questions like this -

"Alright, so I'm on the third floor and I send you a text asking for you to run me up a pencil to my office. Someone else sends you a text asking you for a pen and they are on the first floor. Where do you go?" He says "why did you apply to Riot? With a resume like this you could have applied...at any gaming company." He doesn't believe anything he just said. I don't have much experience in this situation and I don't know how to salvage it. From the moment I got there I have been trying to look and act as calm and professional as I possibly can. I try my best to answer the questions I'm asked but I freeze up when he asks me if I have an experience working on a team and I cannot think of anything. I completely forget my entire time in the Army. He tells me that next I'll talk with Kismet.

Then the woman who was my intermediary during all this, the human resources person, comes in and tells me that the interview process is over and puts my on a cab back to the airport. My flight isn't for 13 hours. I buy a copy of Full Dark No Stars by King to try and stay awake and it is god awful.

No one had any idea who I was or why I was there, I was flown 2000 miles to be asked the same kind of questions that I was asked when I applied for a job at Walmart, and after talking with two people for less than an hour and a half they were flying me back. I am later told that I wasn't enthusiastic enough about being there. The job paid less 11 dollars an hour. Eleven dollars an hour in Santa Monica.
Haha Riot, shit company. Should have said "I stay at my desk and tell you to use a different pen or pencil because it's a complete waste of time to travel 3 floors for your special pencil."
 

Delly

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People should downvote it because anyone who has any corporate experience has heard a story like this. DeLLy sure spends a lot of time in this thread for someone who hates LoL & Riot.
Down syndrome much? I never said I disliked League. On top of that, I said NOT to post it because it would just be useless drama and get downvoted. Thanks for backing up my statement you worthless Riot loving fuck.
 

Arbitrary

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I'm not posting it to Reddit. Even posting it here is a whole bunch of Me My Story Let's All Talk About Me And What Happened to Me bullshit.

I already got my official response anyway. After it happened and I posted to SA about it I was contacted by Riot Daemon who is from that department. He said it didn't sound like Riot's hiring process and asked if I wanted him to investigate what happened. He said if he did so it would probably kill any chance I ever had of being hired. I said sure, I'd like to know what happened.

I was not enthusiastic enough and I didn't have experience working in a team. That's what he came back with. He was kinda chilly that second conversation so I'm guessing he was told I was a terrible waste of time for a bunch of reasons. I don't know.
 

drtyrm

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Arbitrary had a shitty interview experience <> "Haha Riot, shit company"

Since the Dota2 kids are reading this now, I tried again to play through the Dota2 training and tutorials. Much better than the Riot version in LoL. I have this feeling that if I never played LoL I would have had an easier time with it. Turning your character is so foreign to me that it really colors my perception of the gameplay.
 

Arbitrary

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In other news I signed up for the dumb American Express thing and after the sign up, activation, and transfer of 20 dollars to it I'm sitting at 12000 RP.

Buying the whole Showdown!
 

Dandain

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Since the Dota2 kids are reading this now, I tried again to play through the Dota2 training and tutorials. Much better than the Riot version in LoL. I have this feeling that if I never played LoL I would have had an easier time with it. Turning your character is so foreign to me that it really colors my perception of the gameplay.
I only read both threads because I've played both, have friends who play both, and if you watch esports you gotta make an attempt to see what other games are about.

The character turning is definitely something that a lot of people have no experience with and think is lag especially after coming from hon or league, but the facing aspect really comes into play a lot in the gameplay - chasing/juking/being chased.
 

Sutekh

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Arbitrary had a shitty interview experience <> "Haha Riot, shit company"

Since the Dota2 kids are reading this now, I tried again to play through the Dota2 training and tutorials. Much better than the Riot version in LoL. I have this feeling that if I never played LoL I would have had an easier time with it. Turning your character is so foreign to me that it really colors my perception of the gameplay.
Well what do you want, if their interviews are that awful it can only lead to awful results! Either way it was a joke.

If you want someone to play dota with, let me know bro. I can teach you the ways of the feed. Nick: Sutekh. My icon is baby tide hunter in his shark gear.
 

Amzin

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The terms say you have to direct deposit to it for the 10k. How did a $20 transfer net that?
You can use Paypal to transfer $20 to the new card. If you do it correctly (get the account number and routing number for your serve account and use that in PP) it counts as direct deposit, and thus 10,000 RP. It has hit the league subreddit several times. The card is garbage aside from that though, get your free RP and cancel it. 3 RP for $1 spent is worse than 1% cashback.