Lumi's Batshit Insane Thread

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This thread is awesome. So does he do this a lot and then when it passes and nothing happens he's all like "Well yeah, they did X in secret, but it happened!"
 
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Luminati_sl said:
Ya because NASA would tell everyone if it were going to happen right?
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Yes.

Luminati_sl said:
Not Christians.
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This is the no true scotsman fallacy so many Christians engage in.

They were Christians, Lumie-tard. They were the Christians that kept Christianity alive so that the Protestant movement could spawn from them. If anything, the Catholics are the only true Christians.

And the Orthodoxy of the Catholics did a whole shit load of oppressing other branches of the religion for 2000 years.
 
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Hoax impact: Asteroid rumor debunked by NASA.

The latest from the Here-We-Go-Again-Department: An Internet rumor has gone viral that NASA is covering up information about a giant asteroid or comet that's going to hit the Earth in September, sometime between Sept. 15 - 28.

Let me be clear: No.

Let me be less clear but more snarky: Go look at a bull facing north. Now walk around to the south side. See what comes out? Yeah, this asteroid impact rumor.

There are a lot of reasons this story is nonsense.

It was on Before It's News, a crackpot website that is to accuracy what Donald Trump is to humility. I also try to avoid getting my news from sites that leave vowels out of their name.
The claim that a comet over two miles wide will hit the Earth in a month or two is ridiculous right away: It would be one of the brightest objects in the sky. I think someone might have noticed.
NASA couldn't cover something like this up. First of all, they're not the world's only space agency. Second, NASA doesn't control all the telescopes in the world. Or even really any. There are tens of thousands of astronomers all over the planet who would have seen and been talking about an object that big headed our way.
As Ron Baalke pointed out, NASA announced two asteroid impacts, one in 2014 and the other in 2008 - both were small rocks that burned up in our atmosphere, but it shows that NASA has not covered such things up in the past.
Also, how many times have we heard this kind of crap from breathless pseudoscience sites? Many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many times.
And how many times have they been right? Oh yeah: none. None more times.
This latest in the long-running series of hoax impact claims got spread around so much that the folks at NASA felt they had to issue a debunking of their own:

"There is no scientific basis -- not one shred of evidence -- that an asteroid or any other celestial object will impact Earth on those dates," said Paul Chodas, manager of NASA's Near-Earth Object office at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California.
In fact, NASA's Near-Earth Object Observations Program says there have been no asteroids or comets observed that would impact Earth anytime in the foreseeable future. All known Potentially Hazardous Asteroids have less than a 0.01% chance of impacting Earth in the next 100 years.
I'm glad NASA went to the trouble to write and release that, but it ticks me off. People at NASA have better things to do than squelch silly Internet nonsense. That's your tax dollars at work, folks.

But a bigger reason I get angry about stuff like this is that it scares people. It really does; whenever these rumors go around I get plenty of anxious emails and tweets asking me if it's true. I don't know why sites like Before It's News and the others post fertilizer like that story - maybe it's just for clicks, or for attention, or because they get their jollies by scaring people for no reason whatsoever.

But every time they do they are frightening people, they are wasting time, and they're also contributing to the overall erosion of public trust in science.

And that is something we really, really don't need.
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Your move, Doom and Glumie
 
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This thread is awesome. So does he do this a lot and then when it passes and nothing happens he's all like "Well yeah, they did X in secret, but it happened!"
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It's been studied and shown that once someone's in to this doomsday cult bullshit, most will just keep digging deeper and deeper with every failed prediction:Doomsday cult - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Social scientists have found that while some group members will leave after the date for a doomsday prediction by the leader has passed uneventfully, others actually feel their belief and commitment to the group strengthened. Often when a group's doomsday prophecies or predictions fail to come true, the group leader will simply set a new date for impending doom, or predict a different type of catastrophe on a different date.[18] Niederhoffer and Kenner say: "When you have gone far out on a limb and so many people have followed you, and there is much "sunk cost," as economists would say, it is difficult to admit you have been wrong."[19]

In Experiments With People: Revelations from Social Psychology, Abelson, Frey and Gregg explain this further: "..continuing to proselytize on behalf of a doomsday cult whose prophecies have been disconfirmed, although it makes little logical sense, makes plenty of psychological sense if people have already spent months proselytizing on the cult's behalf. Persevering allows them to avoid the embarrassment of how wrong they were in the first place."[20] The common-held belief in a catastrophic event occurring on a future date can have the effect of ingraining followers with a sense of uniqueness and purpose.[21] In addition, after a failed prophecy members may attempt to explain the outcome through rationalization and dissonance reduction.[13][22][23]

Explanations may include stating that the group members had misinterpreted the leader's original plan, that the cataclysmic event itself had been postponed to a later date by the leader, or that the activities of the group itself had forestalled disaster.[13] In the case of the Festinger study, when the prophecy of a cataclysmic flood was proved false, the members pronounced that their faith in God had prevented the event. They then proceeded to attempt to convert new members with renewed strength.[16]
In his book Politeia: Visions of the Just Society, Eric Carlton debates whether or not the term is appropriate to describe these types of groups.[24] Carlton writes that the event is only seen as a "doomsday" for the "wicked and unrepentant," whereas members of the group itself often regard it as a "day of deliverance," or a "renewal of the world."[24] He regards these groups as "the ultimate in exclusivity," and while the future will be bleak for nonbelievers due to an unforeseen cataclysm, members of the group are promised existence in a new utopia.[24]
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Sounds like textbook Lumie to me.
 
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The chicken bones are now telling me that I read their prophecy wrong !! the new date for the end times and the coming of the One True Black Jesus is December 18th, 2018!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Eomer_sl said:
It's been studied and shown that once someone's in to this doomsday cult bullshit, most will just keep digging deeper and deeper with every failed prediction:Doomsday cult - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Sounds like textbook Lumie to me.
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This phenomena happens with more than just doomsday cults, they were just the first place this phenomena was recognized to occur.

Any deeply held faith based belief becomes more deeply held when faced with contradictory evidence by some proportion of the believer population.

It doesn't effect everyone, but it definitely affects some proportion very strongly.

For instance, there are still people who were part of the Branch Davidians who still believe David Koresh was Jesus returned.
 
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God damnit Hodj you fuck, why were you posting at 5am? I had a no true scotsman Hochuli meme ready to go for what Lumie's obvious response was going to be. I mean yeah I basically blew it anyway by forgetting to check the thread until now, but damnit.


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Not Christians.
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The Albigensian Crusade or Cathar Crusade (1209-1229) was a 20-year military campaigninitiated by Pope Innocent IIIto eliminate Catharism in Languedoc
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Who was leading the crusade Lumie?
 
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Sorry bro, gotta get up early to wake up my kids. If it helps it was almost 7 am for me.
 
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the funny thing is i think i've been calling them Hebner memes until today when it suddenly didn't sound right. so I googled it and sure enough Earl Hebner was a pro wrestling 'ref'. Hochuli is the gorilla armed nfl ref in the memes.
 
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Gavinmad_sl said:
God damnit Hodj you fuck, why were you posting at 5am? I had a no true scotsman Hochuli meme ready to go for what Lumie's obvious response was going to be. I mean yeah I basically blew it anyway by forgetting to check the thread until now, but damnit.






Who was leading the crusade Lumie?
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Not Christians you stupid fuck. The Pope isn't Christian you complete shit for brains retard. He lead the crusade AGAINST Christians. You proved my point and disproved your own. How are you this fucking dumb exactly?
 
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Catholics are not only Christians, they are the largest single Christian denomination in the world, and the oldest.

And you're all Abrahamists to me. Jew, Christian, and Muslim.

No true scotsman fallacy is no true scotsman fallacy.

If it weren't for Catholicism, Christianity wouldn't exist today at all.

Also, Martin Luther was an anti semite, and a raving lunatic.

Your doctrinal and denominational conflicts are utterly irrelevant to this discussion.
 
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Catholics are not only Christians, they are the largest single Christian denomination in the world, and the oldest.

And you're all Abrahamists to me. Jew, Christian, and Muslim.

No true scotsman fallacy is no true scotsman fallacy.

If it weren't for Catholicism, Christianity wouldn't exist today at all.

Also, Martin Luther was an anti semite, and a raving lunatic.

Your doctrinal and denominational conflicts are utterly irrelevant to this discussion.
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If you think Catholicism is Christianity you're so fucking dumb you should kill yourself. Christianity is Christianity idiot. Catholicism is an abomination of Christianity as it literally goes against everything Christianity stands for.
 
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Notice how the only rebuttal you have is "NUH UH YOU RETARD!"?

Yeah.

"Christianity" is a broad term that is applicable to over 35,000 individual denominations. One of those denominations it the Catholic Church.

No matter how many times you declare that no true scotsman doesn't like haggis, the fact of the matter is that some true scotsman simply don't enjoy the taste of sheep's heart puddings.
 
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Eastern Orthodox and Catholics didn't split till the 11th century.

Protestants and Catholics didn't split till the 16th.

From 200 CE to 1100 CE and 1600 CE, the Catholic Church wasthe primary denomination of the Christian religion.

So, if anything, its the Protestants who aren't "real Christians", but are just a heretical sect of bibliolaters who put the Bible over the One True Church, founded by Jesus and led by Jesus' appointed successor Peter.

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Technically coptic orthodox are the oldest christians. Plus they get cooler hats.
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Yeah but they're blacks from Africa, so no one actually cares about them.
 
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