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chaos

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Did anyone actually watch the full interview? I am curious how this went. She claims, apparently, that she asked not to be shown in the documentary even though she seems to be participating. And she was all about him until she kept getting arrested and shit.
 
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Maybe she would like to share the 60-70% of evidence she purports was excluded from the trial and show. Maybe she would like to explain her own words, actions, and interviews which directly contradict her story now.

The dummy is probably trying to get a book deal out of this.
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I'm pretty sure we've heard all the evidence at this point. If there was a smoking gun then the POS Ken Kratz would have brought it up by now.
 
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When shit like this happens I think you should be required to take a polygraph. If you want to tell a bunch of crazy shit for no apparent reason, that could potentially have influence on a future case, you should be putting your own ass on the line.

If she's found untruthful, put her ass in jail.
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Polygraphs are pseudoscientific dogshit
 
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Polygraphs are pseudoscientific dogshit
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Nester

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An interesting article that outlines what was left out of the show. Lots of conjecture so you YMMV

Steven Avery Is Guilty As Hell

Here are just a few items that the producers of ?Making a Murderer? decided to leave out that make the case less riveting and Avery more sympathetic:

? Not only was the bullet found in the garage linked to Halbach?s DNA, but it was forensically tied to Avery?s gun as well. Seems like a pertinent thing for viewers to know. To believe Avery was innocent, you now have to believe that forensics specialists were in on the frame-up and lied about both the DNA and gun, or messed up both tests.

? The criminal complaint claimed that authorities had found restraints ? handcuffs and leg irons ? at Avery?s residence. In 2006, Avery admitted to buying them so he could use them on his then-girlfriend. This alone doesn?t mean Avery is the killer of course, but it does lend credence to the description offered by Dassey and the police. We heard nothing about this during the show.

? The infamous car key that was found in Avery?s residence had DNA of his sweat on it. So not only are we asked to believe the Manitowoc police department planted the keys in his trailer (and that the neighboring police force was either incompetent or complicit in the deception), but also that somehow the cops had extracted Avery?s perspiration and put it on the key. Another explanation might be that Avery handled the keys when dealing with Halbach, although he denies having ever seen them.

Which bring up additional question: If Avery?s defenders are convinced that DNA from one pubic hair completely exonerates him in the rape case, why does DNA evidence in this case not prove his guilt?

? Avery not only called Auto Trader and specifically requested Halbach to take pictures the day she was killed, but he also gave a false name when he did so. Why? And why would he, and the documentarians, fail to mention it? Avery then called Halbach?s cell phone three times the day she died, twice using *67 to obscure his identity. None of this proves his guilt, but all of these actions undermine the defense?s contention that Halbach was just someone that happened to come by that day for a job. It sounds like he wanted her to come by. None of this is mentioned in the documentary.

? Not only was Avery?s blood ? which we?re supposed to believe was planted by the police after being extracted from an evidence room ? found in six places on Halbach?s vehicle, but DNA from his sweat was also found on a hood latch. How did it get there? Did the police have a vial of perspiration ready to go the day of the murder?

? You?d also have to be gullible to believe that Avery was merely a flawed, but good-hearted victim of unfortunate circumstance once you learn more about his history. According to an Appleton Post Crescent article from 2006, Avery planned the fantasy torture and killing of a young woman while in prison. According to Ken Kratz at least, Avery also drew up plans for torture chambers while in prison. True? We don?t know. The documentary never mentions (or disproves) any of these accusations.
 
Nester

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I have not decided my full position on this case, i am leaning towards guilty but i have reasonable doubt.

The most powerful evidence for me was the conversation brandon had with his mother.

Dropbox - dassey_mom_5_13_06.pdf

M. What about when I got home at 5:00 you were here,
B. Ya
M. Ya. When did you go over there?
B. I went over there earlier and then came home before you did.
M. Why didn't you say something to me then?
B. I dunno, I was too scared.
M. You wouldn't have had to been scared because I would have called 911, and you wouldn't be going back over there. If you would have been here, maybe she would have been alive yet. So in those statements you did all that to her too?
B. Some of it.
M, Did he make you do it?
B. Ya. So whose all home?
M. Just me and Blaine...

M. Why did you even go over there Brendan?
B. I dunno, I don't even know how I am gonna do it in court though.
M. What do you mean?
B. I ain't gonna face them.
M. Face who?
B. Steven
M. You know what Brendan
B. What
M. I am gonna tell you something. He did it, and you do what you gotta do. Okay.
B. What will happen if he gets pissed off.
M. What makes a difference, he ain't going no where now, is he?
B. No.
 
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Nester_sl said:
An interesting article that outlines what was left out of the show. Lots of conjecture so you YMMV

Steven Avery Is Guilty As Hell

Here are just a few items that the producers of "Making a Murderer" decided to leave out that make the case less riveting and Avery more sympathetic:

- Not only was the bullet found in the garage linked to Halbach's DNA, but it was forensically tied to Avery's gun as well. Seems like a pertinent thing for viewers to know. To believe Avery was innocent, you now have to believe that forensics specialists were in on the frame-up and lied about both the DNA and gun, or messed up both tests.

- The criminal complaint claimed that authorities had found restraints - handcuffs and leg irons - at Avery's residence. In 2006, Avery admitted to buying them so he could use them on his then-girlfriend. This alone doesn't mean Avery is the killer of course, but it does lend credence to the description offered by Dassey and the police. We heard nothing about this during the show.

- The infamous car key that was found in Avery's residence had DNA of his sweat on it. So not only are we asked to believe the Manitowoc police department planted the keys in his trailer (and that the neighboring police force was either incompetent or complicit in the deception), but also that somehow the cops had extracted Avery's perspiration and put it on the key. Another explanation might be that Avery handled the keys when dealing with Halbach, although he denies having ever seen them.

Which bring up additional question: If Avery's defenders are convinced that DNA from one pubic hair completely exonerates him in the rape case, why does DNA evidence in this case not prove his guilt?

- Avery not only called Auto Trader and specifically requested Halbach to take pictures the day she was killed, but he also gave a false name when he did so. Why? And why would he, and the documentarians, fail to mention it? Avery then called Halbach's cell phone three times the day she died, twice using *67 to obscure his identity. None of this proves his guilt, but all of these actions undermine the defense's contention that Halbach was just someone that happened to come by that day for a job. It sounds like he wanted her to come by. None of this is mentioned in the documentary.

- Not only was Avery's blood - which we're supposed to believe was planted by the police after being extracted from an evidence room - found in six places on Halbach's vehicle, but DNA from his sweat was also found on a hood latch. How did it get there? Did the police have a vial of perspiration ready to go the day of the murder?

- You'd also have to be gullible to believe that Avery was merely a flawed, but good-hearted victim of unfortunate circumstance once you learn more about his history. According to an Appleton Post Crescent article from 2006, Avery planned the fantasy torture and killing of a young woman while in prison. According to Ken Kratz at least, Avery also drew up plans for torture chambers while in prison. True? We don't know. The documentary never mentions (or disproves) any of these accusations.
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Such an awful article by someone who must have watched with the sound off.

1. The bullet was not tied to Avery's gun. It was from a .22 rifle and that was all he could determine.

2. There was Avery's DNA on the cuffs, but not Teresa's. Plus, the whole cuffs thing only came from Brendan's ridiculous "confession" that contradicts itself multiple times.

3. The key has Avery's DNA, but not Teresa's? The person testing his saliva also never changed gloves and admitted that could cause false positives for Avery's sweat being found places it shouldn't.

Article's pretty bad and clearly biased as some of those are explained in the documentary itself, and the others could be googled in just a few seconds.

It's also insane to me that you take any of Brendan's "confessions" seriously.
 
chaos

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Nester_sl said:
I have not decided my full position on this case, i am leaning towards guilty but i have reasonable doubt.

The most powerful evidence for me was the conversation brandon had with his mother.

Dropbox - dassey_mom_5_13_06.pdf

M. What about when I got home at 5:00 you were here,
B. Ya
M. Ya. When did you go over there?
B. I went over there earlier and then came home before you did.
M. Why didn't you say something to me then?
B. I dunno, I was too scared.
M. You wouldn't have had to been scared because I would have called 911, and you wouldn't be going back over there. If you would have been here, maybe she would have been alive yet. So in those statements you did all that to her too?
B. Some of it.
M, Did he make you do it?
B. Ya. So whose all home?
M. Just me and Blaine...

M. Why did you even go over there Brendan?
B. I dunno, I don't even know how I am gonna do it in court though.
M. What do you mean?
B. I ain't gonna face them.
M. Face who?
B. Steven
M. You know what Brendan
B. What
M. I am gonna tell you something. He did it, and you do what you gotta do. Okay.
B. What will happen if he gets pissed off.
M. What makes a difference, he ain't going no where now, is he?
B. No.
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I get that you could think he was guilty, but this conversation is what you think is the most powerful evidence?
 
Chukzombi

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Nester_sl said:
An interesting article that outlines what was left out of the show. Lots of conjecture so you YMMV

Steven Avery Is Guilty As Hell

Here are just a few items that the producers of "Making a Murderer" decided to leave out that make the case less riveting and Avery more sympathetic:

- Not only was the bullet found in the garage linked to Halbach's DNA, but it was forensically tied to Avery's gun as well. Seems like a pertinent thing for viewers to know. To believe Avery was innocent, you now have to believe that forensics specialists were in on the frame-up and lied about both the DNA and gun, or messed up both tests.

- The criminal complaint claimed that authorities had found restraints - handcuffs and leg irons - at Avery's residence. In 2006, Avery admitted to buying them so he could use them on his then-girlfriend. This alone doesn't mean Avery is the killer of course, but it does lend credence to the description offered by Dassey and the police. We heard nothing about this during the show.

- The infamous car key that was found in Avery's residence had DNA of his sweat on it. So not only are we asked to believe the Manitowoc police department planted the keys in his trailer (and that the neighboring police force was either incompetent or complicit in the deception), but also that somehow the cops had extracted Avery's perspiration and put it on the key. Another explanation might be that Avery handled the keys when dealing with Halbach, although he denies having ever seen them.

Which bring up additional question: If Avery's defenders are convinced that DNA from one pubic hair completely exonerates him in the rape case, why does DNA evidence in this case not prove his guilt?

- Avery not only called Auto Trader and specifically requested Halbach to take pictures the day she was killed, but he also gave a false name when he did so. Why? And why would he, and the documentarians, fail to mention it? Avery then called Halbach's cell phone three times the day she died, twice using *67 to obscure his identity. None of this proves his guilt, but all of these actions undermine the defense's contention that Halbach was just someone that happened to come by that day for a job. It sounds like he wanted her to come by. None of this is mentioned in the documentary.

- Not only was Avery's blood - which we're supposed to believe was planted by the police after being extracted from an evidence room - found in six places on Halbach's vehicle, but DNA from his sweat was also found on a hood latch. How did it get there? Did the police have a vial of perspiration ready to go the day of the murder?

- You'd also have to be gullible to believe that Avery was merely a flawed, but good-hearted victim of unfortunate circumstance once you learn more about his history. According to an Appleton Post Crescent article from 2006, Avery planned the fantasy torture and killing of a young woman while in prison. According to Ken Kratz at least, Avery also drew up plans for torture chambers while in prison. True? We don't know. The documentary never mentions (or disproves) any of these accusations.
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most of that stuff is easily explained and small potatoes compared to everything else. the dna off the hood has been debunked because the stupid cop didnt change his gloves and ended up cross contaminating everything.

where is the motive? where is the eyewitnesses to the crime, where is the hard evidence?
 
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Slaythe_sl said:
I just also think there's a realistic possibility that he also killed that girl.
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I guess my response would be: who cares? The injustices and precedence set in this trial should be what people are disturb enough by to not only be discussing the issue, but jumping to action. Instead, we have people playing out many of the factors that led to the unfair trial in the first place by ignoring the greater ramifications of these sorts of miscarriages of justice in favor of being titillated by a gruesome who-done-it and gossiping over the juicy details whether they're even true or not.


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For this specific part though again I struggle to see how the Manitowoc corruption implicates the FBI.
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The FBI agent practically admitted cops were being accused of misconduct and people in official capacities called in favors to help out. The notion that it's the FBI's job to help disprove allegations of police misconduct is laughable, but that's what that agent testified to. I don't feel that agent or the FBI in general was at all impartial in this case.
 
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Nester_sl said:
An interesting article that outlines what was left out of the show. Lots of conjecture so you YMMV

Steven Avery Is Guilty As Hell

Here are just a few items that the producers of ?Making a Murderer? decided to leave out that make the case less riveting and Avery more sympathetic:

? Not only was the bullet found in the garage linked to Halbach?s DNA, but it was forensically tied to Avery?s gun as well. Seems like a pertinent thing for viewers to know. To believe Avery was innocent, you now have to believe that forensics specialists were in on the frame-up and lied about both the DNA and gun, or messed up both tests.

? The criminal complaint claimed that authorities had found restraints ? handcuffs and leg irons ? at Avery?s residence. In 2006, Avery admitted to buying them so he could use them on his then-girlfriend. This alone doesn?t mean Avery is the killer of course, but it does lend credence to the description offered by Dassey and the police. We heard nothing about this during the show.

? The infamous car key that was found in Avery?s residence had DNA of his sweat on it. So not only are we asked to believe the Manitowoc police department planted the keys in his trailer (and that the neighboring police force was either incompetent or complicit in the deception), but also that somehow the cops had extracted Avery?s perspiration and put it on the key. Another explanation might be that Avery handled the keys when dealing with Halbach, although he denies having ever seen them.

Which bring up additional question: If Avery?s defenders are convinced that DNA from one pubic hair completely exonerates him in the rape case, why does DNA evidence in this case not prove his guilt?

? Avery not only called Auto Trader and specifically requested Halbach to take pictures the day she was killed, but he also gave a false name when he did so. Why? And why would he, and the documentarians, fail to mention it? Avery then called Halbach?s cell phone three times the day she died, twice using *67 to obscure his identity. None of this proves his guilt, but all of these actions undermine the defense?s contention that Halbach was just someone that happened to come by that day for a job. It sounds like he wanted her to come by. None of this is mentioned in the documentary.

? Not only was Avery?s blood ? which we?re supposed to believe was planted by the police after being extracted from an evidence room ? found in six places on Halbach?s vehicle, but DNA from his sweat was also found on a hood latch. How did it get there? Did the police have a vial of perspiration ready to go the day of the murder?

? You?d also have to be gullible to believe that Avery was merely a flawed, but good-hearted victim of unfortunate circumstance once you learn more about his history. According to an Appleton Post Crescent article from 2006, Avery planned the fantasy torture and killing of a young woman while in prison. According to Ken Kratz at least, Avery also drew up plans for torture chambers while in prison. True? We don?t know. The documentary never mentions (or disproves) any of these accusations.
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Where'd you copy/pasta that from? Because it's all bullshit has already been presented as a smoking gun but hasn't amounted to much of anything. Good try, though.

I heard you were also drawing up plans for a torture chamber? True? We don't know.... but I bet you sure hope there was some amount of evidence at all proving that if you're ever accused of a crime and it starts being restated everywhere just because I said it in this thread!
 
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