Making a Murderer (Netflix) - New info

TJT said:

This is honestly not even worth discussing because that video is so fucking stupid that it compares the county's net total assets (approx $99M) and it's net expenditure's (approx $77M) and proclaims that the difference is liquid and could easily absorb a $20M payout.

There is so much wrong with that comparison that whoever made that video is a complete retard with zero comprehension of finance in any capacity.

This is before we get into the insurance implications.

So yes you are a total faggot for linking something so incredibly stupid. Just shut the fuck up.

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The counties insurance paid his settlement... I'm not sure what you're so up in arms about.

Lanx said:

No, your rube goldberg one in a billion "likely" scenario is not in the same line of having at least 50% of the population (women) recognize that, that stroke looks q-tipish b/c they've been using makeup their whole lives.

besides blood wiped with a latex glove wouldn't look like that.

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And they got the blood how? Remember blood clots within minutes.

Also, it's insanely anti-intellectual of you to insist this is a Qtip swab, ignoring all the other findings of his blood in her car, and just thinking that your once scenario is the only possibility. It's very interesting that everyone who thinks Avery is innocent has yet to put up any convincing data, and of course cannot explain the biological impossibility of getting Avery's blood to plant in the car.

Lanx said:

the sink, where else

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Except that it's biologically impossible.

TJT said:

You're either an idiot or trolling.

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I'm ignoring all your insults. Do you know that Avery settled for a little over $400,000 instead of the tens of millions? He had to settle to pay lawyer fees when he was incarcerated for the 5th time (the the TH murder.) The county's insurance paid for that settlement. Look it up.

Lanx said:

maybe you don't know how blood works, if there's a pool of blood, which avery said there was, cuz he made a mess, then the top part of that pool of blood will create a "sheen" keeping all the blood underneath, nice and wet.

you can do this yourself, prick your finger and drip 10 drops on a countertop creating a pool of blood. The top will sheen over and you'll have liquidity blood underneath for a good few hours.

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That is 100% untrue. That is absolutely not what blood does, nor how blood works. You are 100% wrong. Blood coagulates. It forms a jelly like substance which is a "clot." There is water in blood but that quickly evaporates. If you've ever seen large bleeds, it coagulates and you get a large lump of this red jelly. It absolutely, 100%, does not form a "sheen" that traps liquid blood underneath. That is just completely wrong and false. And you guys are calling me an idiot? I'm not calling you an idiot, but you are absolutely wrong about blood.

What you're suggesting makes me think that you think blood coagulates as a form of interaction with the air (because your'e saying it forms this outside sheen/shell). That's completely untrue. It coagulates because of different proteins within the blood itself.

To be honest I find it hilarious that someone with no understand of how blood clots is pretending to be an expert on blood swabs from qtips

So..

This is your scenario: on the very same day that TH is last on the phone with Avery, last seen at Avery's house, and then disappears, Steven was in his house, he happened to either cut his finger or re-open an unhealed wound, he bleeds into a sink, he looks at the blood in the sink, leaves it alone, then leaves his house, and then someone comes behind him, somehow knowing that he bled, and then pipettes up the blood, then removes it from Avery's house, and brings it all the way to the victims vehicle, and then plants it in the car? All this, while keeping in mind that blood begins coagulating in less than 2 minutes, had to be accomplished instantaneously. I've already shown you that blood clots within 2 minutes, and you can't pipette it up once it starts clotting. And even Zellner's blood experts agree the blood planted in the car, particularly the door jam, was live blood, not clotted blood. And the only proof you have to support your theory is that the accused claims he bled into a sink? I mean this is 100% biologically impossible because of how blood works.

If you're actually interested in learning, this is a video of a subdural hematoma that is being evacuated from the brain. It's a giant blood clot, notice there is no "sheen" that keeps the blood underneath "nice and wet." Again, your understanding of blood is 100% wrong.

TJT said:

100% irrelevant. I don't even know why you are bringing this up when we were discussing the video you linked.

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100% relevant. The county was insured, and the insurance paid. How would they go bankrupt if they are insured?

TJT said:

You do not understand what happens in a huge lawsuit like that. The insurance company would instantly sue the county to find some way out of it (among other reasons). Any other party involved would sue each other. The county would need to defend against this. Which also would cost significant time and money. This would not be a survivable situation for the county and would likely force them to appeal to Madison for support so they could maybe survive it. This would end the careers of anyone involved in the lawsuit once Madison got involved.

This would happen in literally any industry. The insurance company would never, under any circumstances, just eat a massive payout as it was so ordered by the court. Ever. Insurance 101.

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Very interesting reading, thank you!

Where do you think the cutoff would be? They paid over 400,000 without an issue.

TJT said:

Can you use your brain for a second? $400k is nothing. Life insurance policies for poor people are often more than that.

This is an extremely complicated question. Just to start.

1. Who is the insurance company?
2. How big are they?
3. What are their internal risk tolerances?
4. What are their yearly payouts?
5. What's their yearly revenue?
6. What is their average profit? What is their profit in the current year?

On and on and on.

Not that it matters because not even the biggest insurance conglomerate is going to just eat $20M if they have a strong chance of avoiding it. Which they did (false imprisonment and provable negligence, sympathetic victim who just spent 20 years in prison for nothing).

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So your contention is that the state of Wisconsin murdered TH so that they could frame SA? Were they hacking SA's phone, to know who he called, and waiting outside his house for her to leave so they could murder her, then they snuck in and cut his finger and stole her blood, then planted a bullet with her DNA on it that happened to be shot from his gun (how did they do that? ), and magically transferred his blood to her car without biology happening? And then cut up her body, and then put her body in his burn barrel and then burned it without him noticing? And somehow the state implicated Brendan in this too?

Do you honestly believe that the state of Wisconsin could perfectly plan that without anyone finding out?

TJT said:

Good god dude. My only point was that Manitowoc county needed to be totally removed from this case for it to be above board. I literally said nothing else and you put this huge narrative in my mouth?

Nice pivot retard.

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Ha, I completely misread your last sentence. My bad. Thank god you don't believe something as stupid as half the people writing in this thread.