Man of Steel

Why is there so much nerdrage in this thread?

Kaio_sl said:

The last scene they needed him to truly care about and actively try to mitigate fucking civilian damage and death. Make that a real weakness that Zod takes advantage of during the fight. I saw a clip of a modern superman cartoon and it seems they do the same back and forth and superman doesn't seem to factor in civilian damage and death. What the hell is a point of a hero then? Where is the god damn emotionality and vulnerability? In a city full of people, they are a factor to the old superman and should be for the new as well.

That last killing of Zod too was horrible and just not in line with our classic and heroic superman. Hero's especially all powerful ones must set limitations for themselves based on morality for us to really feel it. It's not just about picking sides of humans or kryptons Superman needs to be morally above everyone else.

People will never be able to relate to the godlike superman, they can only emulate his morality, willing to sacrifice, and extreme will to try and save people even if it is strategically bad in a battle and he is physically hurt as a result. Kids can dream about about flying and super strength but Superman's unwavering lawful good persona, unwilling to sacrifice people, and save everyone he possibly can is what kids look up to emotionally.

Even if Nolan made a dark and gritty Batman he did a good job with the persona of the Batman, capturing desperation, sacrifice, and heroicness. Wish he could have imparted some of that to this team with his involvement here.

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Seriously. That last scene has me so pissed off, even days later. That almost completely ruined the entire thing for me. You could have plugged Captain Marvel into this movie and it would've been the same thing. This wasn't a Superman movie. It was almost entirely a Zod/Kryptonian movie. It had almost nothing that makes Superman, "Superman".

Just saw it. Better than other Superman movies, but it's still Superman (vanilla). They did a lot to give him personal conflict at least.

Spoiler yo shit ^

Harshaw_sl said:

Just saw it... Fuck this movie.

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First valid critique I've read in this thread.

Kirun_sl said:

Seriously. That last scene has me so pissed off, even days later. That almost completely ruined the entire thing for me. You could have plugged Captain Marvel into this movie and it would've been the same thing. This wasn't a Superman movie. It was almost entirely a Zod/Kryptonian movie. It had almost nothing that makes Superman, "Superman".

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Artistic license is not always popular heh. Characters/stories get changed all the time and while not always popular it is important that writers are free to keep doing it. Superman is no exception. Pretty much every superhero has seen dramatic changes over the years. Batman has gone from being flamboyantly gay to being one of the moodiest/dark superheroes there is. I'm sure some people were not pleased to see Batman get darkened up, and thought the character should of just stayed with the BAM, POW! bullshit from the 1960s. Superman usually only has his power level fucked up, but in this case they wanted to cut back on the boy scout routine.

Personally he still felt like Superman to me. Just a flawed, far more human version of Superman. Which I loved. To each his own though.

And most of the whole 'Why is he destroying Metropolis instead of drawing Zod away from the city' arguments can easily be answered by pointing out that he's been Superman for all of a week tops, so he's making some rookie mistakes.

Lost Ranger_sl said:

but in this case they wanted to cut back on the boy scout routine.

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He's more than that, though. He's an alien that is a far better human than humans will ever be. He's an ideal to strive for.

Hell, I was totally digging the movie when he's speeding around, saving the pilots and stuff during the street brawl, all while fighting off the Kryptonians, and Zod's bitch gives the "For every one you save, we'll kill a million more!". Especially after the badass scene where he floats out into space, after Jor-el gives him the "You can save them. You can same them all!" line. I was totally in a "Fuck yeah! That's Superman!" mode. Unfortunately, that all got completely disregarded in favor of shit blowing up in neat ways, toward the end of the film.

Gavinrad_sl said:

And most of the whole 'Why is he destroying Metropolis instead of drawing Zod away from the city' arguments can easily be answered by pointing out that he's been Superman for all of a week tops, so he's making some rookie mistakes.

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Exactly.

Just because he puts on the suit, doesn't mean he becomes max level Superman. I really enjoyed how flawed he was, growing into his role as Superman.

Gavinrad_sl said:

And most of the whole 'Why is he destroying Metropolis instead of drawing Zod away from the city' arguments can easily be answered by pointing out that he's been Superman for all of a week tops, so he's making some rookie mistakes.

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His failure to make any effort in minimizing civilian casualties or mitigating wanton destruction isn't a "rookie mistake". A rookie mistake would be such things as not knowing the limits of his powers and accidentally hurting someone. Choosing to ignore thousands of people dying around you is a morality based choice; I don't see how a more "seasoned" Superman swings from a moral level of "I don't give a shit" to "oh nos, must save humans".I could buy the "neophyte superman" argument IF some attempts were made to bait Zod out of the city and he failed, but all we see is endless wanton destruction and Supes doesn't seem to give a shit until one lonesome family is about to get incinerated by Zod.

let's face it, Snyder wanted to film the epic destruction of an entire city, which is ok because I agree it would be vastly more entertaining than if Supes lured Zod and company into the deserted wilderness. However, Snyder failed to incorporate the human scenes necessary to make this scenario feel "real". Where was the death, misery, and blood? Where is Supes despondent and frustrated reaction to being an unwilling participant in the deaths of thousands of human beings? The city's destruction seems more like a convenient visual platform for amazing CGI and superhero hand to hand combat than it does as a plot device. They could have capitalized on the wanton destruction and focused on the human element for a bit, but they didn't.

Will I buy the Blu-Ray and fast forward to the fight scenes and watch them repeatedly? Yeah. Will I watch the "movie" again? No thanks. Again, if it actually focused on story and developed the characters, rather than just being a "Superman beating shit up" CGI demo it could have been GREAT instead of just good.

I look forward to the Kevin Spacey vs Kevin Costner gif mashup of WRONG! vs Hand-stop

Frenzied Wombat_sl said:

His failure to make any effort in minimizing civilian casualties or mitigating wanton destruction isn't a "rookie mistake". A rookie mistake would be such things as not knowing the limits of his powers and accidentally hurting someone. Choosing to ignore thousands of people dying around you is a morality based choice; I don't see how a more "seasoned" Superman swings from a moral level of "I don't give a shit" to "oh nos, must save humans".I could buy the "neophyte superman" argument IF some attempts were made to bait Zod out of the city and he failed, but all we see is endless wanton destruction and Supes doesn't seem to give a shit until one lonesome family is about to get incinerated by Zod.

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He's a fucking farmboy who, for the first time in his life, is fighting with people every bit as strong as he is. From your post I'm going to assume you've never been in a fight in your entire life, because if you had you would know how hard it is to consider anything other than trying to keep from getting your ass beat, especially when you're just some random dude who grew up on a farm and the people you're fighting have spent their entire life either in combat or training for it. That lone family is the first time he was actually directly confronted with humans about to die as a result of his fight with Zod.

a_skeleton_03_sl said:

You guys are making excuses. You are pretending this isn't a made up movie. You are acting like someone just filmed some random people fighting and now you are trying to explain what happened.

Snyder had full control of the movie and was able to dictate exactly what was going on and decided that he was going to destroy the city and kill people.

Stop with the battered wife syndrome and stop trying to explain it away as a one time event and now Superman has learned. Snyder wrote a shitty aspect in the movie.

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Yeah I'm sure there would have been a lot less bitching and crying if Superman was able to beat all the bad guys and save all the people without any property damage at all.

Araysar_sl said:

I once fought a super villain. It was pretty easy.

No civilians died.

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Did he use gadgets?

If he did he wasn't a supervillain.

Unless they were evil space gadgets.

Then maybe.